Compubox stats shows an Pac outlanding JMM 6 rounds to 5 rounds

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  1. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    There are are a lot of people who are saying that JMM should have won, was robbed...... blah, blah, blah.......

    Infact, many people were using the compubox stats to back up their claim. True, based on a twelve (12) round fight, JMM outlanded Pac.

    But fights are not scored on based on how many punches were thrown the entire fight but on a round per round basis.

    Using the same figure (compubox), it seems that Pac outlanded JMM in 6 rounds while JMM outlanded Pac in 5 rounds with one round equal.

    Here is how compubox had it:

    Pacquiao connected with more blows in the first (12-6), fourth (19-14), sixth (16-15), ninth (13-12), 10th (17-15) and 11th (16-12). That's 6 rounds.

    Marquez earned edges in the second (18-9), fifth (12-10), seventh (15-12), eighth (21-5) and 12th (19-15). That's 5 rounds

    The third round is an even round in terms of connect but that was where the KD occurred.

    I am not putting this up to denigrate the accomplishments of both fighters but it is quite disheartening that so many threads about robbed, etc had come out. The fight was very close and any decision for or against both fighters seems acceptable. Even a draw was acceptable. No one really dominated the other.
     
    pejevan, Mar 16, 2008
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  2. Luzon

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    Everybody seems to be making a case for Marquez using compubox. In one round were Pac got the eye injury that bothered him during that round it was 21-5. That alone would mess up compubox if you looked at the entire fight... Round for round Pac landed more and was more effective...
     
    Luzon, Mar 16, 2008
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  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Any of the close rounds being reversed would have changed the score though.

    I haven't used Compubox to back up my scorecard. Sometimes a fighter will land more punches but they aren't as clean or effective. They don't count how clean the punch is.
     
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  4. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    What people seems to be saying is that a powershot of Pac is equal to a powershot of JMM. But body language as well as damage to the face would tell otherwise. Assuming that JMM outlanded Pac in powershot, the difference is tht Pac's powershot had a more telling effect than that of JMM. When JMM connects, it just disrupts Pac's rhtyhm that Pac needs to reposition, whereas when Pac connects, there result is entirely different. Just look at JMM's face after the fight.

    It is just the gist of the two fights. JMM connecting more but Pac doing the more damage with his power.
     
    pejevan, Mar 16, 2008
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  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    More to it than that.

    Pacquiao hits harder for sure, but he is not as accurate a puncher. Some of the powershots he landed were partially blocked and vice versa. On the whole I saw more clean shots landed by JMM.

    Point is, you can't really break it down like this because there are a ton of variables. Whoever you think won the round, you score it that way. Unless there was some crazy disparity in punch count (like someone scoring round 8 for Pacquiao would be nuts), then no real reason to question it. You saw what you saw in most cases (exceptions to every rule)
     
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  6. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    The 8th round was really what inflated JMM's compubox numbers he landed 30 to Pacs 8, which is why I hate compubox and idiots who use it to justify winners of a fight. People act as if the tale of the numbers says it all in a fight, last time i checked fights are scored on a round by round basis not a overall degree.
     
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  7. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Good back up . . . but this won't work for the haters.

    Most of these people already has "robbery" in their minds . . . if the fight won't end up in a K.O . . . . which happened. :D

    So?

    Robbery! Robbery! Robbery!

    :yep :rofl :lol:
     
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  8. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Compubox is ****..this fight was too close..I get the feeling though that the more time elapse the more people will think it was the right decision
     
    chimba, Mar 16, 2008
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  9. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    if last nights fight was a robbery i wonder what Lewis/Holyfield 1 was
     
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  10. Totomabs

    Totomabs Sauna Belt Holder Full Member

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    this is a great post!:good ..and very objective at that..:thumbsup
     
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  11. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I gave him 1 and 11, but I don't think I was being generous. You gave Pacquiao round 7 and I scored it even, many scored it for JMM, including all 3 judges. (They all gave JMM the 11th round too, and they all gave Pacquiao the 1st round)

    My point wasn't to bash anyone's scorecard. Just to say there are alot of close rounds here and obviously from all the posts here there is certainly room for anyone's opinion on the fight as long as it's close. If they have it 116-112 for either fighter, well.....
     
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  12. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Lewis/Holyfield? You don't have to go that far. Did you hear any of these MOFO's cried robbery on Casa vs Sta Cruz? Did anybody mention the punch stats on that? :D

    That's a clear robbery more than anything else. :yep
     
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  13. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    i had 1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10 for pac...
     
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  14. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    exactly

    It seemed like if Pac doest hurt JMM in a round then it goes to the one who is classified as the boxer by default, which in this case JMM
     
    Boom_Boom, Mar 16, 2008
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  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just how I scored it. I saw Pacquiao's couple of good lefts, but I thought JMM landed not only that shot, but a couple of other good clean shots that were cleaner than Pacquiao's.

    BTW, everyone keeps mentioning the replay. I didn't see it....I was doing the Round By Round and missed nearly every replay in between rounds.
     
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