conditioning coaches

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by smithshaun, Feb 16, 2014.


  1. billy nelson

    billy nelson the fighting scots gym Full Member

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    I certainly can,dont get me wrong Ricky will never be a one punch KO man nobody has ever said he would be, but there's not many who can punch the same volume has him with the same intensity in round 1 has there is in round 12
     
  2. Daviddee1983

    Daviddee1983 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Boxers should run everyday I'm not denying that.. It's the way they should run is the key.. My point is a 6 mile jog will do next to nothing apart from cardio endurance and weight loss.. Both can be done in far better ways.. All those guys done it the old fashioned way if they were about now they would all do things differently
     
  3. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Long slow runs, help the mechanics of Boxing, Sprinting doesn't. Its the understanding of what moves you.
     
  4. Brodie123

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    Long slow runs should be mixed with sprint sessions also fartlek sessions it's getting the balance right.
     
  5. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought that 50 years ago, now I do not.
     
  6. Daviddee1983

    Daviddee1983 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok I will humour you.. What mechanics would long slow runs help in boxing?? Apart from weight loss(best way to cut weight) upside and Remove fat and muscle from legs ( not good for taking punches or long term stamina).. The mechanics of a slow run would never be used as any sort of mechanism in an actual boxing bout.. The big question here is cardio endurance v muscular endurance.. I would focus more on muscular as that's what takes the punishment in fights whether it's hitting or being hit. To build cardio endurance the best way is High Intensity Training. Pushing your oxygen levels at every training session. A lot of the training being done on high intensity with low oxygen saturations.. When the body is low on these sats it switches off. Hence the term hitting the wall.. What the best training method is to train on low oxygen sats and keep pushing hard to extend a fighters physical capability. This in turn would give the fighter more than enough in the tank to do 12 rounds.. Now it's not as easy as that ^^^ so much more too it. For example getting the levels right. Setting the right programmes for the right fighter. But if done correctly many fighters can really improve there physical ability. Leaving it to the boxing coach to improve their skills
     
  7. Brodie123

    Brodie123 Member Full Member

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    On what basis are you disagreeing with me could you be more specific?
     
  8. Brodie123

    Brodie123 Member Full Member

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    Your obviously from an s and c background as you keep making arguments for how it benefits fighters do you think a trainer should concentrate on tweeking a fighters boxing skills and leave the conditioning to s and cs?
     
  9. Daviddee1983

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    In honesty it depends. I have met a lot of people who get it massively wrong. If I was a coach/ fighter I would sit down with a S&C coach and get the reasons behind why he wants to do certain exercises.. Make sure it fits to the plan that the trainer and fighter has.. An example is Floyd Mayweather , he doesn't have a massive work rate so it would be pointless doing HIT for work rate. I think flexibility and movement would be good as well as explosive power for when he is countering with shots. It's all about trust if that's there then I would advise boxing trainers to go down that route.
     
  10. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Think Newtons law, and the damage it does firstly. How can we eliminate it, the damage it does, Sprint Running. There are better ways to prepare cardio and strength, without damaging the bodys structure. Understand that youre half way there.
     
  11. Daviddee1983

    Daviddee1983 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Newtons Law?? Haha what you on tonight?? Again your relevance is way off key!! Newton Laws are about Force, Gravity, Actions and reactions. To compare that to boxing is quite futile. I think you misunderstand the damage. Our body is made to move.. We choose which way we want it to move.. We are flexible everyone can be different shapes and sizes yet work on certain areas.. I think it's bedtime when your talking about Newtons Law in Boxing :)
     
  12. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you combat and improve lactic Shuttle without impact, lets say by 35%, your veiws.
     
  13. Brodie123

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    Sprints will do you no harm as the long runs do u no harm if you get the balance right no basis to your argument
     
  14. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You havent got a clue with those remarks.
     
  15. Daviddee1983

    Daviddee1983 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In fairness my post more or less explains that. Lactate Dynamics are down to mainly oxygenisation. I'm guessing your meaning Saturations of 35%.. This is the reason why you up your intensity during training camp. You want to push that wall backwards. I'm assuming your meaning impact as in actually getting cramp?? This is caused by ATP. Again we can go on and on but training methods above with correct diet then none of that would be a problem.. Again it's how you set out training and to condition an athlete you need to push through these boundaries..