Congrats to Shane Mosley - won the vacant WBC international welterweight title.

He should retire of this decent win but Jin Mosley is a wretch. He looked a complete shell of his former self, lethargic and no reflexes.. He will most likely be pimped yet again for a fight with the Broner-Paulie winner considering Cano giving paulie hell.

Not gunna lie though, a Broner-Mosley fight seems intriguing

 

Needs to retire still.

 

He looked totally shot when he fought Ricardo Mayorga 2008. Looked totally unexceptional.

 

He should definitely retire, if he carries on, I will cheer for him but I would be most happy if he could put an end to his great career and enter HOF.

 

I give him his props for staying in there with those young guys but like every body else says his reflexes are gone and that's his main problem.His stamina was good in this fight.

 

I think Eddie Hearn might try and break the bank and get him over here for Brook.

 

Mosley is obviously a shell of his former self but, if matched correctly, he can still be a force.

He should fight Maidana, assuming he beats Lopez (which is a big maybe). I think he would break Maidana down.

 

First of all I want to point out how outrageously inaccurate the above statement is. Not only did Shane Mosley KO Mayorga in the 12th round after dominating the fight, but that all came after he'd decidedly beaten Luis Collazo to a 12 round decision, and knocked out Fernando Vargas twice in a row (The first time in 10, the second time in 6). I'd also like to note that it was Mosley's last great fight which came after that when he absolutely destroyed Antonio Margarito in a fight few gave him a chance in, which oh by the way, he won by knockout in the 9th round in what was one of the most brutal knockouts of his career. If you'd care to have a debate regarding his next 4 fights and whether he was shot or not, I'd gladly take anyone to task on that matter as well.


As for his most recent and overdue victory, all I can say is "It's about damn time". A lot of folks are saying he should retire and that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I however, don't think, that he should unless he is truly ready to do so. I think he's still got plenty left in the tank, regardless of what many others say. Is he well past his "Prime"? Unquestionably, but does that mean he should just up and quit fighting because he's doesn't possess the same dynamic tools he once did? I would say no. If that were the precedent that all fighters were held to, than Floyd Mayweather might as well hang em' up, Manny Pacquiao might as well hang em' up, Bernard Hopkins should have hung em' up years ago, Miguel Cotto should pack it in and go home, Juan Manuel Marquez needs to take his ball and go home, etc....

This fight (in my eyes) spits in the face off all those who've given up on Shane Mosley, written him off as a shot has been, and proves those wrong who have been singing that same old song since De La Hoya II and earlier. I concede that he is clearly and obviously diminished from the form he once had, there's no question about that. As I mentioned earlier though, I don't think that means he should be exiled from boxing simply because he's not the same fighter he once was. I think that the cries of his last few fights from fans in regards to his slide have been grossly exaggerated and overblown. I also think that there are some significant variables that can be observed in regards to those last few performances that explain some of the issues we saw with a greater clarity than "He's just a shot fighter with nothing left". With that I will state my case.

To Be Continued.....

 

Cont'd....

First of all, I'd like to single out two of his last four fights that share one common denominator which clearly worked against him, and has little to nothing to do with his condition. Sergio Mora and Saul Alvarez. Now why do I bunch those two together? Well it makes perfect sense; both Saul Alvarez and Sergio Mora were both significantly bigger than Mosley, enough so that his physical condition makes little to no difference in his efficiency. Mosley should never have been in the ring with either of them for that very reason. Alvarez was clearly too big and too strong, and Mora who weighed in at 157 (making him well over 160 by fight time) was also NATURALLY much too big for Mosley. His speed afoot and fist was enough to keep him alive with those guys, and the fact that he's got a granite chin, but his best shot would never dent their armor with such a size disparity. In boxing, SIZE MATTERS, Marquez-Mayweather is a perfect example, and these two Mosley fights serve as the same kind of example. He never had any business in the middleweight division. 150 (Super Welter/ Junior Middle) plus, was okay in his prime when he fought De La Hoya and that was miraculous considering that he was a natural lightweight. In this last stretch of his career he should have never went above 145/147. The Winky Wright fights even further back show the same thing, Wright was just too big, awkward, and defensive. It was a horrible mismatch for Mosley, Wright was a natural middleweight, and by now this argument should be making perfect sense to you. What did he fight at vs Cano? 147. What was the result? He won a unanimous decision, and he looked better and younger in the process than he has in a long time.

Now, Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are the other two fights. What can I say? At the time of his fighting them they were the two best P4P fighters in the world. I don't think there's any shame in losing to either of them, but I do think Mosley could have beat Mayweather, Pacquiao was simply too fast. Mayweather is fast too, but in a different way. He's got fast single punches, his 1-2 is above average speed as well, but he doesn't put a lot of punches together, he likes to hunt and peck. Pacquiao throws fast punches in bunches and Mosley was simply overwhelmed by it, just like virtually everyone else Pacquiao fought in the recent past to that. There was no great answer to that, and the old saying proved true "Speed Kills". These two fights also share a big common denominator though that explain a lot of the reasons Shane lost those fights in the fashion he did, and have nothing to do with his physical condition that everyone thinks deteriorated so profoundly. Nazim Richardson. Yeah, that's right, Nazim Richardson, his trainer. I'm sorry, but if you're trainer doesn't know how to beat someone, you aren't going to beat them. Nazim Richardson knew how to beat Floyd Mayweather if he fought in a the predictable manner he did in the first 2 rounds (which showed), but he didn't prepare for anything past that. He had a good plan A, but he needed a plan B, plan C, Plan D, Plan E, etc.... He didn't account for Mayweather making any adjustments and kept sending his fighter out there to fight the wrong fight. No wonder you saw Mosley become hesitant and reserved, he wasn't getting the answers he needed to do the job he needed to do.

You saw in the first 2 rounds that when he had the right instruction, Shane Mosley was more than enough for Floyd Mayweather. He was fast enough to beat him, he was powerful enough to beat him, he obviously had the stamina to go the distance with him, everything. However, once Floyd changed gears and the game plan he'd trained to execute had to go out the window, that was it. He didn't have the support system to help him win, and Floyd did, simple as that. That is specifically why trainers are so important, they can see what they fighters don't see in the heat of battle. They are the outside eye's looking in observing what is going on, so they can analyze the situation for the fighter to help instruct them as to what they need to do to be successful. If anything else were the case, the fighters would simply go their corners, sit on a stool, and you'd just have the standard corner men working on their cuts and swelling, giving them water, and changing their mouthpieces, and the great trainers of boxing's history wouldn't be considered such. Nazim Richardson was arguably the worst thing that could have happened to Shane Mosley professionally. He got great credit for the success of Bernard Hopkins (another aged fighter) and somehow was able to convince Shane Mosley that he could do for him, what he supposedly had done for Hopkins. The problem there though is that Hopkins is a completely different type of fighter. His style allows him to do most of the thinking for himself in the ring, helps him control the pace which allows it, and is much more defensive minded than that of Mosley. Nazim Richardson had little to do with the success of Bernard Hopkins, and too much to do with the lack thereof with Shane Mosley. Now, against Cano what changed? Trainers. Shane went back to training with his father Jack Mosley, and what was the result? He won a unanimous decision, and he looked younger and better than he has in a long time in doing it, in conjunction with fighting at a weight more suitable to his aging body as I explained above. Mosley enjoyed all his greatest successes with his father Jack Mosley training him, and suffered the losses making people question his condition without him. Outside of fighting some gross mismatches in Wright, Alvarez, Mora, etc....Mosley's never really looked that bad, not nearly what people exaggerate him to be at the least. Is he the same fighter who dominated the lightweight division and took the welterweight division by storm? No, but he's still the same guy, he's still got enough of what he had then to be a top ranked fighter, and with the right training fight to fight I have no doubt he could again hold more than one major welterweight title.

While time has obviously had it's effect on Shane Mosley, that doesn't mean that the fighter he IS can not be as successful as the fighter he WAS. It simply means that you have to CHANGE with the changes that come to you. So you're not quite as fast as you once were, the reflexes aren't quite as fast as they once were, and both of these things were two of your major assets at one time; that's fine, you work around it and alter your style to negate what you've lost and embolden what you still have. Remember, a Shane Mosley who has lost some of his speed is still faster than 90-something % of all fighters, is still just as quick as his feet as anyone else, his slowed reflexes are still faster than the majority of fighters as well, and the intangibles he has like his chin, his power (at the right weight), his pure toughness, and his warrior spirit don't go away. That doesn't make him a "Shell of his former Self", it simply makes him a different fighter than he once was, and there's a difference between the two. With what I have explained and laid out in mind, I think it's safe to say that most people have overlooked a lot of the circumstances and variables surrounding Shane Mosley, as a result have harbored inaccurate assumptions about him and his actual condition, and overall sold him short quite a bit for quite a while, and this most recent fight I think, proves as much. Anyone mismatched is more than likely to come up on the losing end, anyone who doesn't have the right supporting cast is going to look less than their best. Thinking of any of the greats of the sport, you can always look back to people who were bad match ups for them, or people behind or around them who led they astray, Shane Mosley is no different. He's not a shot, used up, shell of his former self. He's a fighter who has stood the test of time, and simply had to deal with the same issues that many fighters before him have as well. These things have done him no justice and the fickle fans of boxing have taken those things and ran with them to conclusions that simply do not match the thought out realities. Shane Mosley has proven that, and you will see him continue to do so.

 

Now he'll think he can get in with the top fighters again.

...pity

 

^ The ****'s with that essay lmao

 

His nerves are shot, IMO. Which for a powerboxer like him, whose game was very physical (almost like a more powerful Tim Bradley in his prime), means someone should tell him to get into commentating at this point.

He's a HOFer and doesn't have anything else to prove.