Congrats to Shane Mosley - won the vacant WBC international welterweight title.

Stefan Johnson · May 19, 2013

mclovellin87 said: ↑

I had it a draw. UD makes it sound clearer than it really was with only a round in it on all 3 cards
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Totally agree...I mostly hate draws, but this was pretty close.

iceman71 · May 19, 2013

Florez said: ↑

Shane Mosley won a Unanimous Decision against Pablo Cano in Mexico and won the vacant WBC international welterweight title.
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Lets also congratulate him for beating the #31 ranked welterweight in the world.
it really seems to make up for not having a win in the last 4 years.

elfag · May 19, 2013

Uh mayweather still has the WBC belt, the real one. I had to check to see if he got rid of it because of the way they announced the winner too last fight they didnt say "and still" but ok yeah the "international" welterweight title. I forgot they had other random BS titles in addition to the "diamond" and "silver" belts. WTF really.

Gander Tasco · May 19, 2013

I only saw a little bit, but he looked faster then he has in his last few fights. He's still shot to smithereens though.

IntentionalButt · May 19, 2013

Gander Tasco said: ↑

I only saw a little bit, but he looked faster then he has in his last few fights. He's still shot to smithereens though.
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Not faster, but more active. He was dialing in that overhand right in higher repetition than he throws anything nowadays. (since Margarito)

Adaptation · May 19, 2013

Dr.SweetScience said: ↑

Cont'd....

First of all, I'd like to single out two of his last four fights that share one common denominator which clearly worked against him, and has little to nothing to do with his condition. Sergio Mora and Saul Alvarez. Now why do I bunch those two together? Well it makes perfect sense; both Saul Alvarez and Sergio Mora were both significantly bigger than Mosley, enough so that his physical condition makes little to no difference in his efficiency. Mosley should never have been in the ring with either of them for that very reason. Alvarez was clearly too big and too strong, and Mora who weighed in at 157 (making him well over 160 by fight time) was also NATURALLY much too big for Mosley. His speed afoot and fist was enough to keep him alive with those guys, and the fact that he's got a granite chin, but his best shot would never dent their armor with such a size disparity. In boxing, SIZE MATTERS, Marquez-Mayweather is a perfect example, and these two Mosley fights serve as the same kind of example. He never had any business in the middleweight division. 150 (Super Welter/ Junior Middle) plus, was okay in his prime when he fought De La Hoya and that was miraculous considering that he was a natural lightweight. In this last stretch of his career he should have never went above 145/147. The Winky Wright fights even further back show the same thing, Wright was just too big, awkward, and defensive. It was a horrible mismatch for Mosley, Wright was a natural middleweight, and by now this argument should be making perfect sense to you. What did he fight at vs Cano? 147. What was the result? He won a unanimous decision, and he looked better and younger in the process than he has in a long time.

Now, Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are the other two fights. What can I say? At the time of his fighting them they were the two best P4P fighters in the world. I don't think there's any shame in losing to either of them, but I do think Mosley could have beat Mayweather, Pacquiao was simply too fast. Mayweather is fast too, but in a different way. He's got fast single punches, his 1-2 is above average speed as well, but he doesn't put a lot of punches together, he likes to hunt and peck. Pacquiao throws fast punches in bunches and Mosley was simply overwhelmed by it, just like virtually everyone else Pacquiao fought in the recent past to that. There was no great answer to that, and the old saying proved true "Speed Kills". These two fights also share a big common denominator though that explain a lot of the reasons Shane lost those fights in the fashion he did, and have nothing to do with his physical condition that everyone thinks deteriorated so profoundly. Nazim Richardson. Yeah, that's right, Nazim Richardson, his trainer. I'm sorry, but if you're trainer doesn't know how to beat someone, you aren't going to beat them. Nazim Richardson knew how to beat Floyd Mayweather if he fought in a the predictable manner he did in the first 2 rounds (which showed), but he didn't prepare for anything past that. He had a good plan A, but he needed a plan B, plan C, Plan D, Plan E, etc.... He didn't account for Mayweather making any adjustments and kept sending his fighter out there to fight the wrong fight. No wonder you saw Mosley become hesitant and reserved, he wasn't getting the answers he needed to do the job he needed to do.

You saw in the first 2 rounds that when he had the right instruction, Shane Mosley was more than enough for Floyd Mayweather. He was fast enough to beat him, he was powerful enough to beat him, he obviously had the stamina to go the distance with him, everything. However, once Floyd changed gears and the game plan he'd trained to execute had to go out the window, that was it. He didn't have the support system to help him win, and Floyd did, simple as that. That is specifically why trainers are so important, they can see what they fighters don't see in the heat of battle. They are the outside eye's looking in observing what is going on, so they can analyze the situation for the fighter to help instruct them as to what they need to do to be successful. If anything else were the case, the fighters would simply go their corners, sit on a stool, and you'd just have the standard corner men working on their cuts and swelling, giving them water, and changing their mouthpieces, and the great trainers of boxing's history wouldn't be considered such. Nazim Richardson was arguably the worst thing that could have happened to Shane Mosley professionally. He got great credit for the success of Bernard Hopkins (another aged fighter) and somehow was able to convince Shane Mosley that he could do for him, what he supposedly had done for Hopkins. The problem there though is that Hopkins is a completely different type of fighter. His style allows him to do most of the thinking for himself in the ring, helps him control the pace which allows it, and is much more defensive minded than that of Mosley. Nazim Richardson had little to do with the success of Bernard Hopkins, and too much to do with the lack thereof with Shane Mosley. Now, against Cano what changed? Trainers. Shane went back to training with his father Jack Mosley, and what was the result? He won a unanimous decision, and he looked younger and better than he has in a long time in doing it, in conjunction with fighting at a weight more suitable to his aging body as I explained above. Mosley enjoyed all his greatest successes with his father Jack Mosley training him, and suffered the losses making people question his condition without him. Outside of fighting some gross mismatches in Wright, Alvarez, Mora, etc....Mosley's never really looked that bad, not nearly what people exaggerate him to be at the least. Is he the same fighter who dominated the lightweight division and took the welterweight division by storm? No, but he's still the same guy, he's still got enough of what he had then to be a top ranked fighter, and with the right training fight to fight I have no doubt he could again hold more than one major welterweight title.

While time has obviously had it's effect on Shane Mosley, that doesn't mean that the fighter he IS can not be as successful as the fighter he WAS. It simply means that you have to CHANGE with the changes that come to you. So you're not quite as fast as you once were, the reflexes aren't quite as fast as they once were, and both of these things were two of your major assets at one time; that's fine, you work around it and alter your style to negate what you've lost and embolden what you still have. Remember, a Shane Mosley who has lost some of his speed is still faster than 90-something % of all fighters, is still just as quick as his feet as anyone else, his slowed reflexes are still faster than the majority of fighters as well, and the intangibles he has like his chin, his power (at the right weight), his pure toughness, and his warrior spirit don't go away. That doesn't make him a "Shell of his former Self", it simply makes him a different fighter than he once was, and there's a difference between the two. With what I have explained and laid out in mind, I think it's safe to say that most people have overlooked a lot of the circumstances and variables surrounding Shane Mosley, as a result have harbored inaccurate assumptions about him and his actual condition, and overall sold him short quite a bit for quite a while, and this most recent fight I think, proves as much. Anyone mismatched is more than likely to come up on the losing end, anyone who doesn't have the right supporting cast is going to look less than their best. Thinking of any of the greats of the sport, you can always look back to people who were bad match ups for them, or people behind or around them who led they astray, Shane Mosley is no different. He's not a shot, used up, shell of his former self. He's a fighter who has stood the test of time, and simply had to deal with the same issues that many fighters before him have as well. These things have done him no justice and the fickle fans of boxing have taken those things and ran with them to conclusions that simply do not match the thought out realities. Shane Mosley has proven that, and you will see him continue to do so.
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Good post!
I think a part of us want to see shane retire not because hes a shell of himself and now a ''good but not great boxer'', but for his own good. None of us want to see shane become like ali, toney and holyfield with the slurred speech and mental issues, especially with a classy guy like mosley.

That said, shane will go on for a couple more years for financial reasons - something which im sure he probably wont admit. The same goes for RJJ, Holyfield, toney,etc. I feel b-hop is another genre- a guy who would fight until 60 for minimum wage.

elninochino · May 20, 2013

FloydWillnever said: ↑

I think Eddie Hearn might try and break the bank and get him over here for Brook.
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Would sell more if either had a belt...

gyll · May 20, 2013

Dr.SweetScience said: ↑

Now, Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are the other two fights. What can I say? At the time of his fighting them they were the two best P4P fighters in the world. I don't think there's any shame in losing to either of them, but I do think Mosley could have beat Mayweather, Pacquiao was simply too fast.
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If Pac is too fast for Shane then it can easily be said that Floyd is simply too smart for Mosley. Therefore Shane couldn't have beaten Floyd apart from a devastating, flukey one punch ko (which could've landed on Pac as well). You explained it yourself - once Floyd figured out Shane the fight was over. Floyd plays chess with his opponents and wins. He doesn't just try to overpower or outspeed people like Pacquiao does.

slugger3000 · May 20, 2013

rjjftw said: ↑

He should retire of this decent win but Jin Mosley is a wretch. He looked a complete shell of his former self, lethargic and no reflexes.. He will most likely be pimped yet again for a fight with the Broner-Paulie winner considering Cano giving paulie hell.

Thats a terrible fight.. You ******ed ****!! Broner is way too fast for him!
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Miguel · May 20, 2013

Hope he retires, one of my favourite boxers, he should go out on top and not give Broner a chance to feed off his name...

EpsilonAxis · May 21, 2013

Dr.SweetScience said: ↑

I'm not quite sure what exactly you mean by "his nerves". Do you mean like his reflexes, or do you mean his willingness to go for the kill? If you go back and read my 2 posts on the previous page, I actually address what you go on to talk about here. Sure, he can't fight the same way he used to, but that doesn't mean he can't still fight. You simply adjust your style a bit, make changes to compensate for what you've lost and help bolster your strengths.

I agree, he doesn't have anything else to prove though.
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I mean his NERVES are shot. He responds to all feints and motions at this point. He isn't relaxed at all in the ring.

Now granted, he never was a very relaxed boxer, but he's stiff-legged and jittery in there.

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