Congrats to Wilder's handlers. They're actually geniuses.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by madballster, Dec 18, 2016.


  1. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I criticized Wilder and his handlers numerous times for their choice of opposition and for seemingly happily taking a way out from fighting Povetkin.

    Due to Povetkin's stupidity and PED addiction, now it appears Wilder will be able to make a 5th very low-risk payday. In the process making himself and his managers good money while having rematch clauses on more overmatched opponents. His first mandatory defense will likely have to happen only in 6-12 months, and I'd favor him over both Stiverne and Whyte. The latter a bit tougher than the former thanks to his youth. After his mandatory Wilder can fight another series of low-risk opponents, making more money in the process.

    My hat is off to his investors/handlers. They took a very average fighter and turned him into a low-risk high-return cash cow. Well played.
     
  2. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

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    Can he possibly find some way to eek out 11 wins and retire 50-0?
     
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  3. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

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    Sorry getting ahead of myself here ... 13 more wins.
     
  4. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    First, it will be dispicable if he manages to fight another sub top ten hw as a voluntary defense. That is unprecedented for the division and really a low point in the sport. Second, let's be fair, he isn't"average". Consistently beating top 15-25 fighters like has is something only a strong top 5 hw can do. You look at history, and it's full of short term champs losing to similar level opposition(Brewster, white wolf, among many others lost to guys regarded as sub top ten at the time). It's just a shame he's made himself such a joke by refusing to fight the best.
     
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  5. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can't blame the way Wilder's fight plan is going on him because he has never refused to fight anybody. If the fight is made with whomever, he will fight. Now, I can understand the Povetkin mess, he did what he was supposed to do on that one and then again it was his management that made the decision.
     
  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    This reads as if Wilders camp were responsible for Povetkin doping himself up to the maximum. Trolling is too obvious.
     
  7. Subak

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    They should try and unify with Parker if that's really on the table, imo. Dangerous fight but one that he would probably win and being a unified heavyweight champion makes it easier to sell him as legit the best (even though he's not).
     
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  8. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    I'm as big a critic as any on here of Wilder, but you can't blame him for not fighting Povetkin at all. If Povetkin wasn't a blatant drugs cheat, we would have seen him and Wilder fight earlier in the year and this discussion on whether Wilder is actually any good or not will be over.

    That said I don't see him fighting one of the top guys anytime soon unfortunately, and will most likely head to a Stiverne rematch which absolutely no one wants to see.

    The only person from the top I can see him potentially fighting is maybe Parker in a unification, which I think is a 50/50 fight. I don't think Wilder will ever fight Fury, AJ, Klitschko, Ortiz or Haye.
     
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  9. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    English is your first language isn't it? You seem a bit confused, but I clearly stated "Due to Povetkin's stupidity and PED addiction..." -- Obviously none of this is Wilder's fault. He's innocent in all this.

    You have to admire his management for elegantly keeping him clear of big risks though. It's a thing of beauty to watch. Watch Wilder speak about unification fights for another 2-3 years while not really doing any. He has no interest in them because he doesn't get rematch options.

    Wilders management will throw him to the wolfes only when (if ever) their contract expires. That's what I would do.
     
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  10. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Povetkin is WIDE open and DW would unload on him and povetkin can NOT take a couple flush shots from a banger.

    Get a grip fellas, the best povetkin can ever be was yesterday and he unloaded every single thing he had. Just imagine he was facing a fighter that's far faster and landing while povetkin is way our of range, mismatch

    Povetkin counted out within 10 at worst
     
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  11. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If his next fight is a unification bout with Parker, that would shut me and all fair minded critics down. Parker's a legit top 10, borderline top 5, but someone Wilder would be fairly heavily favored to beat. And, would set him up for a mega fight with strong negotiating ability for the Wlad AJ winner. That is what should happen, but I doubt it will. Wilder will claim he needs a tune up fight even though it would be within the average range of time between fights for title holders. Wilder's had some bad luck, but every time he's faced with adversity he or his team has chosen the easy way out. Hopefully this time will be different, but I doubt it.
     
  12. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    And to think that his plans could've went Kabloowee had Headvetkins scared and shook mark ass never tried to use Meldonium and Ostarine.
     
  13. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    wilder by taking safe opposition has been on good money but for a 37-0 usa heavy champ nothing special
    5 to 6 million for his 4 defenses
    not sure what the purse was for the stiverne fight.
    very good money but
    charles martin made that in 1 fight.
     
  14. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree he's top 5 without question, and would be titlist material in ANY era, but his weakness is against punchers with a chin who can fight off the front foot.

    Wilder just won't fight one, and the WBC seemingly allows him freebie after freebie.

    Potvetkin F/d himself...that was his title to be had. He had mulitple opportunities to regain his WBA minor by imposing his ranking vs Chagaev.
    Instead, he wanted to beat a "legit" Champion, and worked into and all the way up the WBC rankings for Wilder only to be put off and forced into one eliminator after another.

    The meldonium .07 MCG crap was BS, and the WBC should have never allowed Wilder Arreola, but rather pushed the fight back to July.

    Had they done that, Potvetkin would be Champ today and already have defended against Pulev, Stiverne, Fury, Wlad or another top name.
     
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