Congratulations George Groves!

I don't know what you guys want out of CEJ. He put his heart out on the line tonight and really went for the KO. The problem is, he just isn't very athletic. Not that quick, off-balance, uncoordinated. You put him in there with a guy who's going to come at him he's impressive. A guy moves around a little, he looks like a novice. But he would give a lot of guys hell. He's a fighter not a boxer.

 

Really respect that you can acknowledge CEJ wasn't as good as you thought he was, unlike @CutThroatFade. Eubank has the conditioning and enough offensive talent to look good against lesser opposition, but it's now obvious that he doesn't have the boxing technique and skill to compete with the best.

 

CEJ is in the wrong sport then, this is called the sport of boxing.

 

I don't rate any of the guys in this tourney all that much. Groves didn't look wonderful tonight, he was simply good and savvy enough against a tactically abysmal Eubank. Assuming Smith makes it through his semi, I think he dishes the meat and potatoes beating that Jr. was too inept to deliver tonight.

 

Jr has a good chin and a big heart,but that ain't enough at the top level.I had JR by late tko.

 

Honestly eubanks not actually far away from being the real deal. His problem tonight was nothing to do with needing a new trainer etc. Was simply down to the weight.

Theres a reason guys come in looking like prisoners of war. Very very few good enough to come in without draining and being good enough. Even guys like golovkin draining. In fact every single big name including mayweather drain themselves. Eubank came in pretty much his natural weight. He,d have beat groves if he was a natural super middleweight.

We all knew going in groves was technically better. It was all about eubank coming on strong in the last six. The problem was he felt the extra weight of groves from early tonite. By the time it got to six...he didn't have nearly as much left as he thought he would. I still say eubank will get most of them at 160 over the last six. The problem he now faces is...can he still make 160 comfortably. Hes now in the position groves was in before this fight. Treading at the weight. Still think eubank would have drowned him if he was a natural 168.

On a side note eubank doesn't,t need a new trainer. He,s got as far as he has training how he is. What would a trainer teach him without a straight right hand anyway. He doesn't,t even need to change his gameplan....he,ll drown most of them at his natural weight even with the technical defecits. The big thing to take from tonite for me is....no ones good enough to not need to cheat the scales.

 

So was Arturo Gatti, so was Ray Mancini, so was Ricardo Mayorga . But they all made more money than they would have as plumbers or schoolteachers, so hey, I guess it's all tood.

 

I have never seen a boxer who is the real deal or top tier move up and look as amateurish as CEJ. Moving up weight does not make your skill disappear.

 

As for him being anything remotely close to Gatti, Macini or even Mayorga, he has a long way to go. Those guys didn't just slug their way to championship belts. ALl these guys were underrated in their timming and counter.

Can he improve at 28? Not sure. It would be a start if he got someone instead of pops.

 

Eubanks always looked amateurish. Its not stopped him from beating spike. Abraham. Quinlan. Yildrum. And running bjs,s close. There was nothing in that billy Joe fight...the majority of people thought eubank would win a rematch.

Billy joes a decorated amateur. World champion. On a lot of peoples pound for pound list. Great fighter. Eubanks went for output before technical skills. It will be successful. It just won't be 8 lbs above your natural weight or against someone as slick as bjs. Although it almost was. The truth is eubank is world class at 160. Even with his lack of technical ability. Some of these guys are world class by being experts at cheating the scales. Technical ability is a big thing. But by no means the be all and end all.

That fight was lost tonite by weight. Stick 8 lbs of natural weight on eubank he would have drowned groves. Its just that in boxing 8 lbs is massive. Groves took too much out of him before eubank could overrun him. By the time eubank kicked on...it was desperate stuff. Not sure guys at 160 will have the same luck tho.

 

Like Saunders said, he can fight a bit but he can't box for ****. At the top level that will probably always be the case.

Even before the Saunders fight a lot of people noticed he was wild and lacking technically. That has never really changed. He just fought some limited opposition whereas Groves has looked not too impressive at times but it was against high level opposition.

 

He has no technique and was just waiting to overrun him . So CEJ is world class if he can outsize you is essentially what you are saying.

He hasnt don't **** at 160 and if you think CEJ is world class at 160 I have nothing more to say.

 

Eubank Snr (before the fight) "I fear I have built him too well"



Eubank Jnr : "i thought I won the fight"




What a cracking night that was

 

Jumping ship...now calling him a fraud. Why am I not surprised

 

I knew people bang on about weight but Groves was just far too good technically for Eubank. He'll lose to anyone who can box at that level behind that kind of jab.