Congratulations George Groves!

He was supposed to stop Golovkin, right?

 

I think people underestimate that 8 lbs difference mate. Even golovkin struggled when he came up against Jacobs...who appeared a weight class above him. You could technically be the much better fighter and still lose. Hence the reason every fighter in the game today cheats the scales.

There's a reason even guys like mayweather who is technically excellent...brought canelo down to a certain weight. If weight didn't play a part...he,d have let him come in on the scales at any weight. One of the biggest parts of boxing is the scales nowadays. They,ve basically manipulated the night before weigh in to get the advantage. If you don't have or take that advantage...your up against it regardless of how technically excellent you are. Eubank just needs to get back to cheating the scales. Golovkin would beat him. Jacobs would. Charlo probably would. Canelo would. Billy probably would. Outside of that eubank will compete with anyone in that division. And yet technically hes the worst. At the same time...technically billy joes very good. Canelo would beat him. Jacobs and golovkin would beat him. Charlo would also be a tough one. Technical ability is a big thing but by no means the be all and end all.

We all knew coming in groves was technically a lot better than eubank. Groves is technically better than froch ever was. He still lost that fight. The problem tonite was eubank couldn't put a dent in him with the natural weight difference. He,ll get to a lot of them at 160 tho. Even lacking in technical ability. George used his technical ability tonite I still say it wasn't,t won on technical ability tho. Eubank would have beat him if he was a natural 168 lb fighter.

Tbh I m writing that but i m actually a massive george groves fan. His lifespans at the weights limited tho. I don't rate smith highly...but wouldn't surprise me if smith beats him if they do fight. Again it,ll be the natural weight that does it.

 

Eubank never beats a fighter as technical as Groves IMO.

If he goes back to 160 he picks up losses to GGG, BJS or Canelo. I'd also favor Dev, Charlo or Murata against him too but with less confidence. There is a reason why he wants to target Truax, one of the weakest belt holders in world boxing.

 

Billy's said that...but at the same time billy beat eubank by a point or two. It was pretty much razor tight. Pretty sure this whole billy Joe saunders never trained for the fight has just came out in the last few weeks/months. Now it appears set in stone. No way billy gets down to the weight without training properly. Regardless tho thats a comment that's only crededible if he beat him convincenly surely.

 

I eat my crow. Groves proves he's still got it.

 

Not really. You can clearly see from watching Eubanks Jr's fights. Against top level boxers, he is out boxed. If he can turn it into a close quarters brawl, he can have some success. Saunders clearly tires in the second half of many of his fights whereas Eubank Jr clearly has a great level of stamina.

 

Groves is made for eubank. Just not 8 lbs above his natural weight. The problem for eubank is 160,s a,very good division. Canelo and golovkin both excellent. Jacobs great fighter as well. I rate that charlo not sure I ve seen the other two.

They,ll all beat billy Joe as well tho. Charlo fifty fifty. The other 3 would.

People going on about not beating a technicallly great fighter. And yet watched him lose by about a single round against billy Joe Saunders.

The truth is martin Murray would have probably beat eubank tonite. Martins a pretty basic fighter as well. Not a technical genius by a long shot. Not even a big super middle but big enough to nullify eubanks attributes. I don't think people can talk about technically ability beating eubank at his natural weight....then using the bjs,s fight as proof of it. Bearing in mind billy won that fight by about a round.

Groves was too big for him tonite. Was he technically better......yes. But guys that weight without excellent technical ability would have matched eubank tonight. That extra natural weight is the difference. Even if it does sometimes look like technical ability.

 

I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you saying Eubank Jr will beat beat guys who are technically superior to him at 160 (like Saunders, Jacobs, Canelo)?

 

I was at the fight tonight and have to admit the size differene was clear BUT Groves embarrased Eubank tonight. Boxing is about levels and Groves proved he is atleast 1 if not 2 levels above Junior.

 

You must be hurting inside.

 

Martin Murray isn't bigger than CEJ. He's also a career middleweight.

 

At the end of the day it is a fight. Billy joes saying that but eubank managed to drag him into a fight and took the last so many rounds losing by a single round. If he can do that does it matter if he can't box to save his life.

Eubanks game plan is to get them into a fight. He had success with billy Joe. He tried it with groves. Groves was too big for him. Eubank did get inside...groves beat him inside and outside tonite. The weight was too much. That fight tonite was won by weight. Nothing to do with groves technical ability as much as it is better than eubanks. Can anyone tell me another contender turning up to weigh ins like eubank did last night...without being drained and having success against a champion.

The closest I see is mayweather. Who does drain. Maidana who,s technically poor gave him a fight. Took about four or five rounds off him. Does anyone think that was done by technical ability. Or by being a good bit bigger in weight. Same goes for Jacobs v golovkin.

The truth is weight is a bigger equalizer than technique nowadays. The only guys that will beat weight is your elite fighters. Mayweather...pacman. Guys of that calibere...unless we,re talking a clear gulf in class in ability.

 

Do you think Saunders who,s technically great will beat them? Canelo/golovkin/Jacobs?

Its not a question of technical ability. Its a question of is eubank or Saunders on their level. The truth is neither probably are...hence the reason eubanks jamp a division. It just happens to be an outstanding division. He gains by not fighting them...he loses by losing his advantages that are negated by him not able to drain down on the scales. If it was about technique billy Joe would beat them. I,d happily bet against him in all three of them fights tho.

 

Okay I get your point. At the end of the day it is a fight and if Jr can drag them into a brawl then fair enough but that's harder to do against guys who are better technically.

To the bold part, well it does matter because BJS still won. They were the same size and the better technical fighter won. Why did he win? Because of his superior skill.

Yes I totally agree, size obviously matters but boxing has weight classes so guys are usually pretty close in size or they should be. When guys are a similar size it comes down to other things like technical ability, athleticism, durability, heart etc. At the top level most guys will have a good level of physical ability and heart so it comes down to technical ability. The top p4p guys are almost always of a very high level technically.

 

Martin Murray comes to the ring bigger than eubank junior. I,ll guarantee he's naturally bigger than him. Eubank noticeably smaller than Quinlan...yildrum and groves.