Congratulations to Yves Ulysse Jr . . . Fantastic Win over Seldin

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was real impressed with Yves, he put on a boxing clinic. Who would have thought he would knock Seldin down 3 times in the first 3 rounds en route to a comfortable victory?

    His boxing skills made me wonder if this guy should be considered on the P4P lists. I know he's a relative unknown, but just going by his performance last night, I think this guy deserves some consideration. What he did to Seldin was unbelievable. I'm not sure how good the Hebrew Hammer was to begin with, but still, how can you watch that way he handled Seldin and not be impressed?

    Was he "running" ? ? I guess, kinda "in spurts" but so what? What do you expect him to do, just stand in front of a big puncher like that?

    What I was impressed with was in I think the 8th round after the fans started to boo a little bit the round before because he wasn't engaging, he came out and for a round and slowed down his footwork allowing Selding to get within punching range, but he was still able to win the round fighting in a more fan friendly style.

    That to me was impressive because there was a sense that he could only beat Seldin by using his movement, but he proved that for a round he could fight a more fan friendly style and still win the round and not take any punishment.

    This kinda resembled a more extreme version of Golovkin vs Canelo. With Canelo using movement on Golovkin to create angles on the come-forward fighter much like Yves did with Seldin, only that Yves had knockdowns early and won rounds on Seldin more decisively than Canelo did on Golovkin.

    I mean this was really a surprise to see, Seldin was justifiably hyped after his last fight, but it was probably a mistake to fight again so soon and against such a difficult stylistic matchup for him. But Yves didn't have much time off either, he fought less than 2 months ago as well in what was his only loss, a split decision.

    It's just so funny how often the term "running" is used by fighters that get beat, but in this case Yves definitely could be considered "running" vs Seldin, right. I mean Seldin was even mocking him for running at times, but what makes this so unique is how the "running" occurred after the "runner" had already knocked down his opponent 3 times. So I mean at that point it's hard to argue that he's running when he has 3 knockdowns, you know?

    Did you think that Yves was "running" and if he was running, was that OK, do you hold it against him? I personally was fine with his movement, at times it got excessive like in the 7th round or whatever, but it was clearly frustrating Seldin and how can you blame a guy who generated so much offense for running when he was doing it so effectively?

    In that first round, it was amazing to see him come out and trade with Seldin, and in that first exchange you thought "someones going down" but Seldin just couldn't avoid that early barrage and land the big counter. He got hit hard and went down before he could counter. It was a real "ohh ****" moment. I wonder how differently that fight could have played out if Seldin would have avoided that early barrage and landed that counter? I feel like that early knockdown really established a momentum in the fight that Seldin could never reverse, or maybe Yves would have won anyway.

    In the post fight Seldin said he wants to fight again soon and wanted to rematch Yves and was talking like could have a rivalry with Ulysse like Jake Lomatta had with Sugar Ray Robinson fighting all those times.

    Would it be crazy is Seldin and Ulysse fought like 5 or 6 times or something, or do you think Yves could win every time? Maybe it would be different if it was in a smaller ring in the States who knows. But all I know is that in this first fight Seldin got completely schooled by Yves, by the "runner" even if he was "running". The first round kinda reminded me of Ali Foreman when Ali just came out and started trading with Foreman early, like you wouldn't have expected Yves to come in there and start throwing bombs. But you know on that first knockdown, it was the timing of when he decided to engage with Seldin that Seldin wasn't ready for. When you have that kind of speed, when you decide to engage with the come forward puncher, you can get the better of the exchange because you're ready to punch and he's not.

    Those are my thoughts on this fight, do you think Seldin Ulysse could become a Lomatta SRR kind of rivalry, or will they go their separate ways?

    Even though it was one-sided, it was still entertaining because Seldin didn't quit and he kept trying to rescue the fight even though he was far down on the cards.

    In a rematch, do you think a better prepared Seldin could do better against Ulysse or is Ulysse just all wrong for Seldin? I don't know because this is the first time Seldin has fought outside the States or even in his local area. I mean Yves did have many advantages, fighting in his home area, in a big ring that he used very effectively.

    I mean if they fought again in NY or something, would it be a different story?

    I don't know man all I know was this was like a real eye-opening experience for me. Like this Ulysse dude just put it on Seldin, and did so while running at times, and I'm real interested to see how ESB thought about this fight and if you think there should be a rematch. Stylistically this was a great fight and Ulysse took the Hebrew Hammer's O but i mean Ulysse only recently lost his O less than 2 months ago in a split decision in a fight that he probably felt he won, so he had a lot to prove to get in there right away and win a big fight.
     
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  2. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables Full Member

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    Fcuking hell mate, you typed out a whole essay lol..you a one man army Ulysse fan..just out of interest are you his dad?
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i know right lol
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol no just a new fan.
     
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    I definitely want to see both of them back soon.
    Gutted for Seldin but man, hes a fun fighter to watch.
     
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  6. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    That's a lot of words written about a guy who stinked up the joint against a journeyman. If I ever see Yves again it's too soon.
     
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  7. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    He just needs to be more active with the punches. Someone needs to tell fighters that that style is good only if you are going to be a dedicated counter-puncher. He looked Floyd but, it was old Floyd, and worked for him because he set a precedent for himself.
    Ask Tevin Farmer if that style wins you fights all the time when you don't throw enough punches.
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you weren't impressed with Yves? Was he just running all night, too much for your liking? If he was running, he sure managed to get in some fight changing offense, that's for sure.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    That was a nice display of boxing, if not exactly crowd-pleasing. Ulysse probably didn't gain a ton of new fans, although he does have a vocal contingent of local supporters that were audibly happy with the result. I'm guessing he's fine with that, and realizes he's a domestic/regional draw with no real world ambitions (unless he's delusional, that is...) so he's guaranteed to make a decent living going forward as a mid-carder on big televised events.
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Me too, I like both fighters, and thought it was a good matchup stylistically. I was a bit shocked at how easily Ulysse won, but at the same time I wonder if Seldin would do better in a rematch. The parallels to Lamotta SRR really got me thinking.
     
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  11. velagod

    velagod Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Really classy performance, but the Hebrew hammer just looked way out of his depth.
     
  12. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    How in the hell did that crap get on HBO?

    The promoter most have a video the HBO suits doing lines of coke or something. To get a club fighter like that on air, then his ass get totally owned. Seldin looked like a total novice.
     
  13. Boxingfan200

    Boxingfan200 USYK #1 P4P banned Full Member

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    I enjoyed him he put on a boxing clinic plus a fellow Canadian :D . 140 is weak you never know he could pick up one of the 4 belts if he gets lucky..
     
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  14. LondonRingRules

    LondonRingRules Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seldin is actually terrible, I'm confused how he won 21 fights beforehand. He doesn't know how to move his feet and his weird bobbing as he came forward with his elbow out was bizarre. Just completely awful, looked like he'd never boxed before. A true case of power being the only thing he has.

    Ulysses obviously has some skills though.
     
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  15. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seldin has power, Seldin has a stout heart, Seldin's chin is at least good enough to go the distance agains Ulysse.

    What Seldin doesn't have is the boxing skills to cut off the ring, the timing to throw good effective counters, the trainer to get him to that point.

    If I could give him two words of advice: Tom Yankello.
     
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