Conn's stoppage of Pastor - low blow, or not?

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  4. McGrain

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    Nice.

    Looks sentient for "10", doesn't he?
     
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    I think the low blows may have softened up Pastor but it was mainly a body attack and he was taken out with a left to the ribs.

    I think with a bigger and slower target Conn wa able to dig his shots in abit more and in turn hit harder.
     
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    This is not the posture of a man suffering the excruciating groin clutching agony of a low blow, but of somebody who has been deflated by a hook to the body. (When RJJ crushed Hill with his right, Virgil immediately grabbed at the impact point, and fell backwards rather than folding forward. However, this position, with weight primarily on the right knee, looks like the typical aftermath of a legal hook to the body, almost as though he's bending over to vomit.)
     
  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Bumping this for Duo. And I agree on his point above me, good observation.

    Also the size difference doesn't look much in them guys does it?

    The United press report says this:

    http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers...AAAAIBAJ&pg=6378,2555940&dq=conn+pastor&hl=en

    'Pastor was fouled. The question is if the low blows weakened him so mch Conn was able to ... knockout him. ... Referee ... took the eight and twelfth ... away from Conn due to low blows. ... fouling appeared to start in seventh round when Conn hooked a left below the belt. ... but once Pastor had taken that punch he never got going again. Up to then he had been winning. ... Pastor did nothing but hang on.

    This observer seems to suggest the low-blows softened him up and most importantly chaged the dynamic of the bout, with Pastor throwing away his lead due to inactivity borught about by the low blows. Although it should be noted that according to the report 'Pastor won the first three rounds with ease.' by tieing up Conn and breaking his rhythm, but the report fails to mention what happened in the 4th, 5th and 6th, so Conn could have had started to come on more in them rounds so the sudden change in dynamic was not so sudden as the author would like his reader to beleive.

    Regis Welsh in the Pittsburgh Post seems to think it was a legit win with Pastor winning the first three rounds due to Conn's slow start, then Conn started to come on. The other writer from the Press was Dan Daniel and he disagreed with Welsh:

    'The punch that set Pastor down ... was just another of the low blows Conn had been landing.'

    And he quotes the referee a saying that he would have taken the thirteenth round away from Conn, due to lowblows, had it been completed.

    In a statement the referee, Billy Kavanaugh, released he said:

    'The punch that ended the bout was NO foul, but very close to it.'

    Harvey Boyle of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette doesn't mention the low blows.

    It is really hard to tell how much the low-blows effected the outcome, Regis Welsh commented that Pastor fought back hard when he was hit low and they did not effect him. I'm tending to think Conn fouled quite excessivly but his body attack and finishing left hook probably got him a clean-cut win.