Conte: Mayweather Justified To Test "Suspicious" Pacquiao

Two different things doof...atsch

You can use roids and still cherry pick.

Fighters going up in weight and their KO % increasing rather than decreasing is not the norm.

Fighters maintaining their speed as they move up through the divisions is not the norm.

Fighters stamina increasing as they move up in weight is not the norm.

Those are SOME reasons why people are suspcious of Pac...Not including his refusal to take random testing, and his refusal to take random testing days before the fight.

 

Pac turning down the fight because of a drug test first time, just to submit to the same agreement the second time sound suspicious as well. Maybe he needed time to flush his system to get rid of the susbstance within it.:think

 

there is no thinking mayweather is clean...

he just submitted himself to random blood and urine test for 3 months and did not test positive

So mosley and mayweather are the cleanest fighters in boxing and have just proved that...

everyone is questionable outside those two

 

it wasn't for 3 months, it was for 6 weeks. He could have been juicing for 2 years for all you know, and just tapered it off during that 6 week period. That **** works in cycles anyways and has long term effects

 

This is a dumb attempt at taking suspicion off of Pacquaio. Mayweather's shown decline in terms of speed and power while moving up in weight which is impossible to avoid. Every fighter moving up multiple weights will lose some of what they used to have. That's something that Manny hasn't done. As a matter of fact, Pacquiao has gained power and his speed is virtually the same.

Some people believe that Mayweather could have made 144 if he wanted to, but felt he didn't want to risk draining himself. Even if he couldn't make the weight that is also 100% natural, because you gain weight as you age and at the same time it's harder to lose it. Your metabolism starts to slow down by the time you're 20 years of age and Floyd's 32 or 33. Expecting him to be able to fluctuate in weight like he could have maybe 4 or 5 years ago would be foolish. Mayweather is showing signs of aging and has slowed down with weight gain. Both are natural and always happen unless you're on PEDs of course.

For the record, Victor Conte just said what I've been posting this whole time. I'm no expert on the subject, but he surely is. He has no reason to lie or make things up. It makes no sense to pretend that you can't see that there is at least a 99.9% chance of Pacquiao being on something illegal.

 

Pac has not gained speed and power, that's a huge myth. Pound for pound, Pac was alot faster and more powerful at 122 and 126 than he is at 147. Even at 130. Do you know that Clottey is the only fighter that Pacquiao has fought since his 1999 move to super bantamweight who has gone the full 12 against Pac and never hit the deck at the hands of Pac? Pac had 1 punch KOs throughout his career. Every one of his wins at 122 came by way of KO. Hatton was not his first one. Also, you don't deck Barrera, Morales, and MArquez about 10 times in total if you don't have serious power and the speed needed to connect on your shots.

The myth that Pacquiao's athletic gifts are better now than before is just that, a myth.

 

Great point Ph|lla. So maybe he juiced. He is more than willing to test to prove otherwise. Can Manny do the same? Nope. Now you have to ask yourself... Why?

 

how will testing today prove that he wasn't juicing for 2 years straight? The effects of that would be long lasting even if he gets off the PEDs

 

It's not about how he looks, but about his increase in performance. a fighter that goes up in weight and becomes faster, throws more punches and hits even harder is damn right suspicious. Besides, Floyd has been in the p4p lists since almost 10 years ago. When did Manny become a superstar? Since the Diaz fight exactly 2 years ago. Floyd and everyone else suspicious have the right to be suspicious.

 

Exactly my point. PBF is willing to take all test but Pac isn't that right there should tell you everything.

 

I said he gained power and his speed is virtually the same. His sparring partners seem to think he's gained power and he's knocking out much bigger fighters than he was getting decisions over a few years ago. How can he go from winning a decision over Oscar Larios to laying out much bigger opponents in higher weight classes while having one of them running away from him? Remember, when he fought Larios, not only did Larios just get KO'd in three rounds in his very last fight before his fight with Manny, he was also moving up two weight classes to fight Pacquiao. So, you mean to tell me Pacquiao couldn't take out Larios, but he could take out Cotto, De La Hoya, and Hatton with relative ease?

No one said Pacquiao didn't have good power before, but he's moved up multiple weights and has gained power according to his sparring partners and the Hispanic guy in his corner(can't remember his name right now). THAT NEVER HAPPENS. All fighters lose speed and power while moving up multiple weight classes, it's impossible not to. You denying it won't make your argument any more valid.

The Hispanic guys last name is Ariza, but I still can't remember his first name for some reason.

 

Pac became a superstar when he knocked out Barrera in 2003. And he was already a 2 weight world champion before that fight.

I gotta stop arguing with people who started following boxing in 2007

 

Pac didn't take Larios out but he decked him twice. Pacquiao couldn't take out Larios, yet he took out Morales and Barrera. It happens. Morales has one of the greatest chins of all time and Pac took him out twice. You can't base it your PED accusation off Larios managing to survive a 12 round thrashing with multiple knockdowns and say "See, Pacquiao had no KO Power".

Of course his sparring partners will say he is getting stronger. When you add more weight to your frame, you'll get stronger. But pound for pound, Pacquiao was more powerful before his move up to WW.

 

If you've read all of my points, you'd realize that my whole argument wasn't based on the Larios fight and again, Not one time did I say Pacquiao never had power. You're trying to put words in my mouth to help your terrible argument. How is he not declining while moving up several weight classes? How is he carrying the same speed and more power?

You said earlier that Pacquiao didn't gain power while moving up and now you've contradicted yourself and admitted that he has. Cotto, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Hopkins, Haye, and Adamek to name a few recent fighters, have all moved up and lost power and speed, but your telling me fighters gain power when moving up? You've just killed your own argument. How many have moved up and gained power outside of Pacquiao? I'll let you use the entire history of boxing to prove it.

 

I haven't contradicted myself at all. There are two types of power, pound for pound power, and absolute power. Of course, Pacquiao at 140-147 will hit harder in absolute power than he did at 122-126lbs.

It would be stupid to think the opposite. But relative to the division average, Pacquiao used to hit alot harder in the lower weightclasses than he does today.

That's not a contradiction at all.

Pacquiao's KO ratio for his 20 wins from 122 to 130 is 85%. For his 5 wins from 135 to 147, its 80%. So it has actually gone down.

Take Morales, Marquez, and Barrera out of the equation, three ATG fighters, and Pacquiao has 14 out of 15 wins by KO from 122-130, which is 93.3%.


If you look at boxrec, the only time Pacquiao has had a hard time getting his wins by KO is the first 12 wins of his career, when he wasn't even 18 years old yet. After that he has been a KO machine throughout his whole career.


So pound for pound he is not more powerful today than he was before.