Conteh vs Monzon

Clint, I've partly confused you with McVey I think.....

 

I'm referring to the first fight in which Conteh went the distance.Monzon isn't koing Conteh , Conteh had a good chin.
Monzon stopped blown up past prime welter Griffith once in three fights, didn't floor Napoles or Bouttier ,he was a good banger but not a devastating one, Conteh beat heavyweights, he stopped Billy Aird who drew with Jimmy Young.
Conteh may well have tko'd Saad without the illegal solution applied to his cut.
"Adolph Ritacco and Nick Belflore, Saad Muhammad's corner men, were suspended by the New Jersey State Athletic Commission for using an illegal adrenalin chloride solution mixed with ground tea leaves to stop the bleeding from the cut above his left eye. The WBC, which allowed only Vaseline or adrenalin chloride 1-1000 to be used on cuts, ordered an immediate rematch. "

 

Yes,he stopped Bill Drover who drew with Bugner,stopped BillyAird who drew with Jimmy Young, and stopped Terry Daniels among others.

 

15lbs is a massive difference too, there's a reason why the jump from middle to light heavy is difficult and why it was held in such high regard years back prior to the modern weight -draining era. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

Like cobra and McVey have said, Monzon was a smart cookie and knew which side his bread was buttered. He was a fighter who knew his own strengths and weaknesses to a t and a supremely confident one at that. If he'd thought that he could jump to light heavy and make a fist of it, he'd have done so Imo and the fact that he didn't is quite telling when the Conteh fight was offered to him.

To say that a man who never fought at 175 would ko a highly skilled, naturally bigger operator at the weight with a proven track record of success is an indefensible leap of faith, especially when the smaller fighter's success in his own domain is partly down to being physically big/tall at the weight and using it to his advantage. I'm just not convinced that Monzons tendency to fight tall and sway back to avoid punches -highly successful against men smaller than him- would do him any favours against an offensively sophisticated naturally bigger opponent. Especially not a vicious, dirty one like Conteh who could punch quickly and accurately from range and then close the distance rapidly to follow up with his head, elbows and rough-housing tactics on an upright target.

Also, if red cobra is convinced that Carlos wasn't built for a foray into higher climes, that'll do for me. Dude is Monzons biggest advocate on here and has been for years.

 

Excellent post!

 

Great post as always J. All of these points are reasons that I'm a fan of John's. Very underrated.

 

Thanks Mac. Great stuff.

 

Bravo to you Tin_Ribs!! Excellent post...and better than I could have said it...and thanks for referencing me...I feel vindicated by your post!

 

I don’t buy this 15lb difference as some unattainable task....

Midgets like Walker and Tiger made the jump and knocked off ligtht heavyweihts just as good as Conteh.

Monzon was tall, very tall, with long arms. He had a really good chin. He was really strong. He could hit hard. He had the tools equipped to take on fighters at a higher weight more so than other 160s

 

Thanks mate and you're welcome!

 

I don't think Tiger beat a lhvy as good as Conteh.
Walker won and lost against punchless Rosenbloom, ex middle McTigue, who was on the way out, and puncher Berlenbach who did not have Conteh's boxing ability.

 

Jesus Christ, Tiger wasn't a midget, he was a ****ing tank at middleweight, absolutely huge and as strong as an ox. Stronger than Monzon without a doubt though Carlos was very strong himself, and probably any other middle who ever lived. And Torres wasn't as good a fighter as Conteh, not for me anyway, and his straight ahead approach played straight into Tiger's hands. He only won by a narrow margin too, both times.

Walker was a freak of nature and an exception to the rule, a special fighter who excelled at exploiting the weaknesses of bigger fighters and using their styles against them. He and Tiger don't help your argument. I'm with mcvey, there were caveats to his achievements at 175.

Whether you buy into the 15lb being a big thing is up to you, but it's pretty much a fact that being at a stone + weight disadvantage is a big hurdle to overcome even if a few fighters are special enough to do so. Less so at heavyweight though.

I've already stated my opinion on Monzon's style not carrying north of 160 well and don't want to repeat myself. You're entitled to disagree fella.

I'm getting the impression that you just don't like Conteh for whatever reason. I think you're a good poster and a creditable longstanding contributor to this board. Genuinely. Just that you've made some odd observations and leaps of logic in this thread without really backing up your opinion as far as I can see. I'll leave it at that, neither of us are going to budge by the look of it. Peace.

 

Lol. All good

 

John would have killed Carlos in less than 6 rounds. As stated before. Monzon knew his limitations, and knew Conteh was no joke.

 

Monzon’s best way of winning fights was establishing range and using his jab.

Conteh had a superb jab, was bigger than Monzon, and fought at heavyweight before his LHW prime.

I’m not sure Monzon would ever get a foothold in the fight to be honest. Conteh probably wins a wide decision, and if it’s Conteh when his right hand wasn’t completely ****ed he might put the hurt on Monzon.