Contenders Whose Greatest Achievement Was A Loss/Draw?

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  1. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion New Member Full Member

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    Let me be clear: The question is: What are some famous names (CONTENDERS ONLY, NOT CHAMPIONS) whose biggest career achievement was a loss rather than a win? Include only those contenders which this applies to. The question IS NOT greatest to never win a title. here are some guys i got to start us off:
    -bonavena's great efforts in his losses to ali & frazier
    -golota fighting good enough to beat bowe but losing by DQ
    -firpo knocking dempsey out of ring in a heck of a loss
    -Joe Roman's L to Foreman but becoming 1st Puerto Rican to fight for piece of hw crown
    -Yaqui Lopez's L to Saad in 1980 Fight of the Year

    do you agree with my list or certain parts of it? please indicate which. of course i won't mind if you disagree with my choices. please add your own too. the point is we all have a good discussion here.
     
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  2. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joe Bugner’s best performance in
    losing to Frazier.
     
  3. The Long Count

    The Long Count Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marovic vs Lewis
    Godoy vs Louis
     
  4. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Active Member Full Member

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    Golota vs Ruiz, and personally I think Golota got robbed in that fight. Also his draw against Chris Byrd was a great fight and I was happy with both guys getting a draw.
     
  5. BiggieL

    BiggieL Member Full Member

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    Would Cooper v Ali qualify here?
     
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  6. BiggieL

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    Not sure how to edit, but more specifically I obviously mean dropping Ali
     
  7. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow, I can't believe I made it here first to say Dave Tiberi

    Tommy Farr

    Ali Funeka held the IBO title but we probably don't need to count that one. Anyhow, anyone who watched like when they read off the scorecards after the first fight with Joan Guzman will never forget it. Ali's distant, unbelieving demeanor during his spaced out interview with Kellerman was a haunting postscript to a bogus robbery. Ali get's bonus points for being double screwed with a robbery loss to Nate Campbell who had showed up significantly overweight.

    Billy Graham had an awesome career with no shortage of good wins, but the most iconic moment was the famously deabated loss to Gavilan.

    Rocky Juarez fought like hell in his first loss to Barrera
     
  8. chatty

    chatty Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jose Gonzalez comprehensively outboxed Ricky Burns for 6 rounds then faded and quit with a shoulder injury.

    Guess that's his most defining moment as a boxer.

    Danny Williams is probably beating shot Tyson or when he beat Potter with one arm but he got a lot of credit for showing resilience to get up six times v Vitality even though it was a one sided stunning.

    Kevin Finnegan/Sibson v Hagler

    Chris Finnegan v Foster and Conteh.
     
  9. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yaqui Lopez loss 15 Victor Galindez.

    Controversial scoring.

    His fight against Saad was valiant, but in the end he was KOd.

    Many believe he was hosed against Galindez and should have gotten the WBA title.
     
  10. Cecil

    Cecil Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you think Sibbo did well against Hagler?
     
  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Armando Muniz getting robbed in his first fight with Jose Napoles
    Carl 'The Truth' Williams losing a narrow decision against Larry Holmes
    Frankie Duarte losing a highly disputed decision to Bernardo Pinango
     
  12. Bronze Tiger

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    Phillip Ndou. Losing to Floyd Mayweather He was Gallant that night
     
  13. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Tommy Bell (2nd meeting)

    (Note: Bell lost 2 UD's to SRR, and a SD to Kid Gavilan in the 1940's. Underrated at 39 10 2)

    1946-12-20 :
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    146 lbs by UD in round 15 of 15

    • Location: Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
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    • Unofficial United Press scorecard: 10-4-1
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    • World Welterweight Championship (Vacant)
    "Sugar Ray Robinson last night reached the pot of gold he has been hunting for five years by coming on in the middle rounds to outpoint Tommy Bell and win the world welterweight championship in Madison Square Garden. Robinson weighed 146½; Bell 146. The Harlem stringbean, known for five years as the uncrowned champion, finally got his shot at the crown this time and hit the jackpot, but only after the roughest, toughest going he has ever gone through in his career, as the rugged Youngstown, O., Negro walked in and belted away from start to finish of the 15-round slugfest. Loser of only one fight in his career of 75 trips to the post—and that one to a middleweight—the uptown thumper had to come off the floor from a second round knockdown to finish in front." - Associated Press

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  14. KasimirKid

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    Dave Shade's disputed draw with Jack Britton in 1922 and his disputed decision loss to Mickey Walker in 1925, both for the welterweight title.
    Tommy Gibbons' decision loss to Jack Dempsey in 1923 for the heavyweight title.
    Billy Graham's decision loss to Kid Gavilan in 1951 for the welterweight title.
    Eddie Cotton's disputed decision losses to Harold Johnson in 1961 and Jose Torres in 1966, both for the light-heavyweight title.
    Yvon Durelle's kayo loss to Archie Moore for the light-heavyweight title in 1959 after having knocked Archie down three times in the first round and once in the fourth.
    Tommy Farr's decision loss to Joe Louis for the heavyweight title in 1937.
    Leo Lomski's decision loss to Tommy Loughran for the light-heavyweight title in 1928 after having knocked Tommy down twice in the first round.
    Jimmy Young's disputed decision loss to Muhammed Ali for the heavyweight title in 1976.
    Eddie Machen's decision loss to Sonny Liston in 1960, noteworthy because he fought Liston without the effective use of an injured right hand.
    Laurent Dauthuille's kayo loss to Jacob LaMotta for the middleweight title in 1950 in the final seconds of round 15. Dauthuille was ahead on the scorecards.
     
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  15. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep, that may be his best effort but consider that was a scant 6 months after Joe had his rear end handed to him for the first time. And Joe still deserved the UD, he out worked Bugner.
    I don't like to give kudos to a fighter in a losing effort; what I mean to say is saying a fighter's losing effort was his best performance.
    Bugner has zero 'quality' wins in his career; don't waste time mentioning his wins over fading fighters and, if it wasn't for the Galindez-Ahumada bout in summer 75 (Monzon stopped undeafeated Mundine that night as well), my bud and my closed circuit money would have been wasted given Joe's timid 'effort' in Kuala Lampur against Ali.
    Bugner's headstone should read: "Never has so little been done with so much"

    I mentioned Ahumada; perhaps his draw with Foster in New Mexico warrants consideration.
     

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