contradicting info on fast/slow twitch fibres

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by cockneyhardman, Jan 2, 2009.


  1. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    :huh

    So will he be undertraining or will his brother be overtraining? Why would he do nothing. It's quite obvious weight training is better than doing nothing.
     
  2. SweetScience

    SweetScience Accuracy is the key! Full Member

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    How do you enhance your fast twitch fibres?
     
  3. MrSmall

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    You just train explosively.

    Most efficient way? Heavy weights at maximum speed.

    RDJ is my hero. I am secretly in love with him.
     
  4. RDJ

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  5. SweetScience

    SweetScience Accuracy is the key! Full Member

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    Thanks.
     
  6. cockneyhardman

    cockneyhardman Member Full Member

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    also you should combine this with light resistance with maximal speed
    such as bagwork with heavier gloves
    underwater punching(you can add wrist weights too for extra resistance)
    torso twist on a cable machine
    weighted jumpsquats with dumbells or weighted vest
    one legged jump squats

    with the last 3 i listed, you should relax between each rep and take long breaks between sets (you must be fresh for each rep)
    with the one leg jump squats do fewer reps but more sets(so each rep is maximum power)
    these trains speed more than strength, while the heavy training trains strength more
    and you must focus on accelerating to maximal velocity at the very beginning of the movement, not at the end of the movement
    it is this focus and effort that creates lightening speed
    also when doing any kind of punching, i always do a few easy rounds first just focusing on technique, speed and power but not a high workrate because the fatigue you get otherwise interfers with them, then AFTERWARDS i do the hard fitness work
     
  7. Ingar

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    That's right, aerobic training becomes more of an issue the more rounds you go, but not as much as one might think.
    It should never be the main concern of an amateur fighter to build an aerobic base before doing anything else though, the main focus should always be on what is the greatest energy demands of your sport.
    It's more about recovering from short, anaerobic bursts than it is performing slower, steady movements over a prolonged period of time even if you are doing 12 rounds. It's not aerobic in the sense of needing to do traditional aerobic training.

    Nothing helps you cope with and eliminate lactic acid as much as anaerobic training, and every recuparative measures your body takes in eliminating oxidative debt is best improved with anaerobic training itself.
    But that isn't to say that aerobic training won't help, but it shouldn't be the main staple of your training program during any phase unless you are a distance/marathon runner or the like.
    The word "specificity" comes to mind, hehe. :)
     
  8. RDJ

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    When you're under pressure in the ring you have little time to breath, especially if your opponent works the body. I can run 6 miles and do intervals in the end, no problem oxygen enough. But when an experienced guy beats the air out of my body and has me cornered, I'm gasping for breath at the end of the round. If there was no opponent boxing would be mostly anaerobic. In the ring I wouldn't count on it. Your aerobic system needs to be as efficient as possible, a little bit of air may be all you get.
     
  9. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    I would think most people consider normal skill work/boxing anaerobic for the most part even.. Bag work, mitts, rope sprints etc.. Even when Im not doing a punch-out I still try and punch very often, pretty much jabbing in between practicing combinations.

    (The way I work the bag depends on where the bag is ex., if it comes to my right, ill throw a one two, than step and bring the three in when it swings left, southpaw)
     
  10. Ingar

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    Aerobic means work done with oxygen available for cell metabolism, anaerobic is work done without oxygen available.
    So what you're saying further shows that when an opponent is put into the picture, more shortness of breath is produced, which makes the work more anaerobic, not aerobic. Then it becomes not so important for your aerobic system to be as efficient as possible as much as it is important for your anaerobic system to be as efficient as possible.
     
  11. cockneyhardman

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    i agree with most of what you say except the aerobic part
    muscular endurance i believe is only needed in the deltoids, legs, and muscles of the top part of the back
    this is achieved through bagwork(sometimes with resistance), punching with dumbells, and running/jumping
    i can't see any time for it(endurance training) in the weight room
    also when doing interval running, or intense bagwork, i am out of breath long before my lactic acid kicks in
     
  12. MrSmall

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    I'm with you here it's a lot more working when you're short of breath rather than breathing in properly.
     
  13. RDJ

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    I know that Ingar.

    I think that means both are important. Since you can't get a lot of air, the air you do get needs to be used as efficient as possible.
     
  14. BlackWater

    BlackWater G.Wash. Full Member

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    Except anaerobic is more important.


    :smoke
     
  15. boxbible

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    Both are doing standard boxing training and one is also doing resistance training...

    There are those who think that the twin brother who does the additional resistance on top of regular boxing workouts would fair no better than his brother who does only regular boxing workouts....