Contrary to popular belief, Jermain Taylor is currently underrated by most fans.

Amsterdam · May 13, 2008

brooklyn1550 said:

The two reasons people seem to dislike Taylor are:

1) The fact that he recieved close decisions or draws against Bernard Hopkins twice, Winky Wright, and Cory Spinks.

2) The fact that he was very hyped coming out of the Olympic games in 2000, being billed by some as the next great middleweight champion who could become a serious mainstream star.

I don't see how either of those two reasons warrant a dislike for Jermain Taylor himself. The decisions can be attributed to judges and the hype can be attributed to the television networks (HBO) and it's commentators. So in that sense, the dislike/hatred people feel should be directed at those two sources.

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Now onto Jermain Taylor, the fighter:

Anybody who can hold his own against Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright, making it rough for both, has a certain class about them. Taylor's a gifted athlete; sharp reflexes, quick hands, explosive punches, and a good left jab. But his downfall will always be his lack of relaxation in the ring which contributes to his less than stellar stamina, his tendency to back into the ropes (which has been fixed for the most part), and his susceptibility to good jabs and straightright hands. Pavlik was able to expose both of these flaws, but Taylor gave a good account of himself in both fights. More so in the second for fixing up his gameplan and technical skills. He's not going to clean out 168. If it were up to me, he would, just because I think he recieves too much unjust hate, but I'm being realistic. With that said, I do believe he'll give a better account of himself than most, and even I, expect.

Taylor's a credit to the sport - a tough kid who is willing to face anybody. Best of luck to him.
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Who do you favour over him at 168?

nezy37 · May 13, 2008

brooklyn1550 said:

The two reasons people seem to dislike Taylor are:

1) The fact that he recieved close decisions or draws against Bernard Hopkins twice, Winky Wright, and Cory Spinks.

2) The fact that he was very hyped coming out of the Olympic games in 2000, being billed by some as the next great middleweight champion who could become a serious mainstream star.

I don't see how either of those two reasons warrant a dislike for Jermain Taylor himself. The decisions can be attributed to judges and the hype can be attributed to the television networks (HBO) and it's commentators. So in that sense, the dislike/hatred people feel should be directed at those two sources.

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Now onto Jermain Taylor, the fighter:

Anybody who can hold his own against Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright, making it rough for both, has a certain class about them. Taylor's a gifted athlete; sharp reflexes, quick hands, explosive punches, and a good left jab. But his downfall will always be his lack of relaxation in the ring which contributes to his less than stellar stamina, his tendency to back into the ropes (which has been fixed for the most part), and his susceptibility to good jabs and straightright hands. Pavlik was able to expose both of these flaws, but Taylor gave a good account of himself in both fights. More so in the second for fixing up his gameplan and technical skills. He's not going to clean out 168. If it were up to me, he would, just because I think he recieves too much unjust hate, but I'm being realistic. With that said, I do believe he'll give a better account of himself than most, and even I, expect.

Taylor's a credit to the sport - a tough kid who is willing to face anybody. Best of luck to him.
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great post man, the ammount of hate he was getting prior to the first Pavlik fight made me pull for him.

Klion, I am convinced the guy could have been a top flight athlete in whatever sport he decided to play

klion22 · May 13, 2008

Goldcoast said:

Kessler would beat him, as would Bute and Froch, and
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, and maybe
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. he cant beat pavlik, at middle,......... the only guy in the MIX that taylor would beat is miranda, but AA will dispose of him this summer. Taylor has few to zero winnable fights, but id like to see him in with Kessler bc i think it would be an awesome fight while it lasted
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Green could make it competitive because he's got good talents too and he could probably box Taylor from the outside. But Taylor can match and even exceed his hand speed. I would favor Taylor.

Lacy? Come on. That guy is one dimensional and Taylor would finish him.

brooklyn1550 · May 13, 2008

Amsterdam said:

Who do you favour over him at 168?
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Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Librado Andrade

Those are the three fighters I've seen extensive footage on and I'm very comfortable picking them over Taylor. I haven't seen enough of Inkin or Braehmer to give an educated prediction, so I'd like to hear more about those matchups from you. Froch is a 50/50 fight to me. He could hurt Taylor, but if Taylor comes properly motivated, he could also outbox Froch and do enough to win a decision. Dangerous, dangerous fight. I'd take Taylor over Jeff Lacy, Allen Green, Andre Dirrell, Markus Beyer, and Edison Miranda. Sakio Bika is an interesting fight. Don't know who I'd favor, but it would be fun to watch. Bika's swarming, roughhousing attack against Taylor's more traditional skills.

I'm probably missing a few.

Amsterdam · May 13, 2008

klion22 said:

Green could make it competitive because he's got good talents too and he could probably box Taylor from the outside. But Taylor can match and even exceed his hand speed. I would favor Taylor.

Lacy? Come on. That guy is one dimensional and Taylor would finish him.
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Green gives him more trouble than Lacy?:huh

I'd favour Taylor over both, wouldn't favour him over the pre-Calzaghe Lacy, but would now definitely and would favour him to easily dispose of Allan Green.

He may have meant Danny Green, who's retired.

Amsterdam · May 13, 2008

brooklyn1550 said:

Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
Librado Andrade

Those are the three fighters I've seen extensive footage on and I'm very comfortable picking them over Taylor. I haven't seen enough of Inkin or Braehmer to give an educated prediction, so I'd like to hear more about those matchups from you. Froch is a 50/50 fight to me. He could hurt Taylor, but if Taylor comes properly motivated, he could also outbox Froch and do enough to win a decision. I'd take Taylor over Jeff Lacy, Allen Green, Andre Dirrell, Markus Beyer, and Edison Miranda. Sakio Bika is an interesting fight. Don't know who I'd favor, but it would be fun to watch. Bika's swarming, roughhousing attack against Taylor's more traditional skills.

I'm probably missing a few.
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I agree with that. I favour Kessler by domination and stoppage, Mundine by clear decision, Bute by clear decision and Andrade by a great scrap, grinding Taylor down to a KO.

I favour Taylor over Bika, Lacy, Green, Dirrell, Beyer, Miranda etc.

I favour him over Stieglitz, but think Stieglitz gives him a very tough fight stylistically. Taylor by clear decision or late stoppage(Stieglitz has been stopped by huge punchers, in which Taylor is not).

50/50's include Tsypko, Inkin, Froch, & Braehmer.

Braehmer is very good, just hot and cold, if he came in 100%, I'd take Braehmer for the KO in a competitive fight.

KilltheKing · May 13, 2008

klion22 said:

:rofl Are you freaken kidding me?

I saw Froch fight last Saturday. That guy is a class below Taylor. Taylor wipe Froch out. It's not even comparable. The guy has very minimal talents. Taylor's superior hand speed and ability to get off combinations along with his explosive power would win him the fight easily.

Are you European by any chance?
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lol ... sure must be ...

Taylor would have given Calzaghe a fight to the death with a KO possible due to his superior athleticism and power. Same thing for any of the so-called best at 168 .... Kessler, Bute, etc. Taylor, Miranda, & Pavlik can hang with anyone at 168 ... competitive with EVERYONE in the division ... a hard tough fight for EVERYONE in that division.

klion22 · May 13, 2008

Amsterdam said:

Green gives him more trouble than Lacy?:huh

I'd favour Taylor over both, wouldn't favour him over the pre-Calzaghe Lacy, but would now definitely and would favour him to easily dispose of Allan Green.

He may have meant Danny Green, who's retired.
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Of course Green gives Taylor more trouble than Lacy because Lacy is one dimensional while Green actually has some talents and can box.

Amsterdam · May 13, 2008

klion22 said:

Of course Green gives Taylor more trouble than Lacy because Lacy is one dimensional while Green actually has some talents and can box.
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Green's defence and chin is poor, stylistically he is easy for Taylor also. Lacy at least brings pressure, something Taylor doesn't like.

brooklyn1550 · May 13, 2008

Amsterdam said:

Green's defence and chin is poor, stylistically he is easy for Taylor also. Lacy at least brings pressure, something Taylor doesn't like.
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I never understood the hyping of Allan Green. This is a guy who was decked hard by McCrary and nearly lost to Emmett Linton.

klion22 · May 13, 2008

Amsterdam,

Am i sensing a change in your beliefs? Now you are admitting that Taylor will beat most SMWs out there outside of the elites when all along you said that he would do nothing at SMW. So which is it?

jaco · May 13, 2008

I never understood the hyping of Allan Green. This is a guy who was decked hard by McCrary and nearly lost to Emmett Linton.
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Not to mention he looks at his feet every 3 seconds and can never seem to explain why.

MSTR · May 13, 2008

brooklyn1550 said:

The two reasons people seem to dislike Taylor are:

1) The fact that he recieved close decisions or draws against Bernard Hopkins twice, Winky Wright, and Cory Spinks.

2) The fact that he was very hyped coming out of the Olympic games in 2000, being billed by some as the next great middleweight champion who could become a serious mainstream star.

I don't see how either of those two reasons warrant a dislike for Jermain Taylor himself. The decisions can be attributed to judges and the hype can be attributed to the television networks (HBO) and it's commentators. So in that sense, the dislike/hatred people feel should be directed at those two sources.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Now onto Jermain Taylor, the fighter:

Anybody who can hold his own against Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright, making it rough for both, has a certain class about them. Taylor's a gifted athlete; sharp reflexes, quick hands, explosive punches, and a good left jab. But his downfall will always be his lack of relaxation in the ring which contributes to his less than stellar stamina, his tendency to back into the ropes (which has been fixed for the most part), and his susceptibility to good jabs and straightright hands. Pavlik was able to expose these flaws, but Taylor gave a good showing of himself in both fights. More so in the second for fixing up his gameplan and technical skills. He's not going to clean out 168. If it were up to me, he would, just because I think he recieves too much unjust hate, but I'm being realistic. With that said, I do believe he'll give a better account of himself than most, and even I, expect.

Taylor's a credit to the sport - a tough kid who is willing to face anybody. Best of luck to him.
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:good

Terrific post. Agree with everything here.

klion22 · May 13, 2008

Amsterdam said:

I agree with that. I favour Kessler by domination and stoppage, Mundine by clear decision, Bute by clear decision and Andrade by a great scrap, grinding Taylor down to a KO.

I favour Taylor over Bika, Lacy, Green,
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, Beyer, Miranda etc.

I favour him over Stieglitz, but think Stieglitz gives him a very tough fight stylistically. Taylor by clear decision or late stoppage(Stieglitz has been stopped by huge punchers, in which Taylor is not).

50/50's include Tsypko, Inkin, Froch, & Braehmer.

Braehmer is very good, just hot and cold, if he came in 100%, I'd take Braehmer for the KO in a competitive fight.
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That guy is one to look out for. I think his hand speed, right now, is faster than anyone in boxing. I was watching his fight with Hanshaw and i literally didn't see some of his punches. Simply amazing hand speed.

brooklyn1550 · May 13, 2008

jaco said:

Not to mention he looks at his feet every 3 seconds and can never seem to explain why.
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He said it was to readjust himself and maintain balance.

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