Contrary to popular belief, Jermain Taylor is currently underrated by most fans.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by klion22, May 13, 2008.


  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Check my list out there buddy, I named 50/50's with Froch, Inkin, Tyspko & Braehmer, fights he could lose very easily, or win depending on the night.

    These guys are B's, with a top form Braehmer being a B+, in which I stated if he was in his best form, he'd win by KO.

    I favoured Andrade, Kessler, Bute and Mundine heavily. Meaning he'd pick up 4 very decisive losses there.

    So if he lost to those 4, to Kessler badly by the way and managed to beat Bika, the current Lacy and Froch, what did he accomplish?

    Be a top 10? I never said he couldn't do that, if you consider that as something significant for a fighter of his name recognition.

    What I meant is that he wouldn't win a belt or make serious waves, I highlighted this by picking 4 definite favourite's, where only one of them is a real elite and two others are near-elite's.

    And please don't say you pick him over Kessler, or that he even gives Kessler a good fight. You agreed that Andrade could beat Taylor and Kessler shut him out beautifully, these guys aren't on the same level, but employ the boxer-puncher style with work behind the great jabs.
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Very fast hands, excellent timing and good defence. But I sense serious mental issue's with Dirrell and a chin problem also, as well as stylistic problems with certain styles.

    I heavily favour Taylor and even Bika for that matter to easily deal with Dirrell unless I'm proven wrong.

    Hell, I even favour sloppy ass Miranda, but not by much.
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Beat me to it.

    I was going to say that I'd be really high on Dirrell if he had an iron chin. But he impressed me with his win over Hanshaw because he actually sat down on his shots, unlike the Stevens disgrace.
     
  4. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Totaly underrated on here totaly forgotten and the guy has skills. No one seems to be wanting to call him out at 168 and yet ther are plenty of guys up there that need some credibility. Certainly pounding JT would put them all on the map, yet there you have the Mundines and Kesslers and Butes of the world and not a peep. Just a roll call of of the usual stiffs they will face and are eager to face and no JT.
     
  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never said that. I just said that i watched his last fight (which is the only fight i saw of him), and i was impressed by his relentless come forward style and ability to put pressure on his opponents with lots of punishing punches. I mean the guy doesn't let you breathe. He also seemed to have a good chin. That's a tough test for anyone. And i think it would be a tough fight for Taylor. Don't know who would win but i never said Andrade would beat Taylor.
     
  6. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Codrington KO jumped him up a lot and sorry to use a cliche, but where he comes from has plenty to do with it also. A well spoken, athletic african american fighter that brings KO's on TV?

    Going to get hyped. But to be fair, if Green was white, he'd get hyped up even more so.

    But hey, I do like the guy as a person, he'd be a good commentator and he's quite a 'decent fighter', just not top 10 material. His medical condition is also a bad downpath for his career.
     
  7. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    very good assessment of KP!
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Re-read, I said 'could', meaning a decent possibility. And you just confirmed that by saying you don't know who would win.

    But back to it, Kessler shut Andrade out 12 rounds to 0. That's a special feat all factors considered.
     
  9. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're right. My bad. I mis-took your statement. Yes, i definitely think Andrade "could" beat Taylor. I guess that's why he's a top 5 SMW. And yeah, Kessler shutting out Andrade is pretty impressive.
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    But in all honesty, Hanshaw's barely a C level fighter. I gave Dirrell credit for taking the right step forward....

    I also said he has a good defence from all things, but has yet to fight a top fighter. Guys bag on Kessler as robot, but he fought Andrade and Mundine, dominated them, and barely got tagged with anything.

    Dirrell vs. Bika? Dirrell's going to get tagged up more than he's ever been and we'll see how his chin holds up. This would be the right fight for him next.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    If he stopped Bika easily, how would your outlook change?
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Right and Kessler also shutout Lucas and Siaca, who are slightly above a Hanshaw and stopped them, showing no vulnerability like Dirrell did, who impressed you greatly.

    Then beat Mundine 10 rounds to 2 with a bad training camp in Mundine's hometown, as well as starching Beyer in 3, dropping no round in those 3 and showing zero vulnerability.

    Furthermore, he beat Calzaghe inside and controlled distance so well that Joe had to adjust and use his incredibly underlooked boxing skill to draw Kessler to him and beat him to the jab, but he showcased again speed that was right there with Calzaghe, hand and foot and great timing.

    So yeah, I promote Kessler and Calzaghe, but for these ****s to stick their tongue's out and proclaim that Kessler's a 1 dimensional unimpressive robot is blatant disrespect to a certified elite fighter, whom I hope bounces back just for the amount of good matches he can give us.

    These same guys pimp out Berto's, Dirrell's and the lot, whom actually show vulnerability and drop rounds to C level's, where as Kessler as the example dropped only 5 or so in 39 fights, maybe 3 at the title run time against the likes of Lucas, Siaca, Beyer, Mundine & Andrade. If that's not impressive along with unifying two titles, then I just give up.

    .........................

    These examples above are why Euro's get so biased, but also why western fans get so biased in retaliation.

    I just want a good balance. **** the nationalism, support the sports best fighters and enjoy watching and analysing fights.
     
  13. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Then I'd just want confirmation over his chin, if it checked out solid, he's obviously a big force.

    Though, doubt he even beats Bika. But if I got proven wrong, I'm not mad, good for Dirrell and good for fans for getting another potential elite in the mix in an already good division.
     
  14. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would love to see Kessler/Taylor in the near future assuming that Taylor beats a few of the lesser rated SMWs to earn a shot. That would settle this argument once and for all, would it not? :good
     
  15. huki

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    Yeah, Dirrell is the definition of a good boxer with very good natural ability who fights scared. He literally twitches and panics when he's up against almost any kind of pressure. I even thought Hanshaw had a realistic chance of KO'ing him early because of this before the fight and during the first round it seemed like it could actually happen. Dirrell probably has confidence issues and I think he will have very serious issues with both his chin and stamina in the future. Bika would TKO him by the mid rounds IMO. Berrio would be 50/50.. I would probably favor Berrio slightly if I had to pick.