Contrary to popular belief, Jermain Taylor is currently underrated by most fans.

Another thing Klion, in referring to your Winky in Europe thread, I can't believe how many people regurgitate that 'Winky went and cleaned out Europe'....

Go check Boxrec and see what top Euro's he fought, you'll find several domestic level guys with winning records, but not a single world level aside from Vasquez, which he lost handily.

Some Euro hype jobs are horrible. Khan won't amount to **** for example, I rate him lower than any hype job I've seen in a long time, he won't even make waves at a legitimate fringe contender level. They could gift him a belt against some shot name, but he wouldn't even do well against Miguel Huerta, he'd get KTFO.

But top Euro's and top American's rarely get to mix it, that's one reason I started to get excited about Calzaghe vs. Hopkins, we'd get to see how they mixed, shame it was such a shitty fight. Would have been better back in 2002.

I'd be excited about Kessler vs. Dawson, or a similiar level American. We'd get to watch a good match against examples of the best from both sides of the world, hype job free.

But Taylor vs. Braehmer is something that'll never happen, would be a hell of an entertaining fight also. Two top 10 level's from each side.

It's just how the sport is set up. Bad euro hype jobs make Americans think Euro's are overrated, false. Ridiculous American hype jobs make the Euro fans who have their good fighters trashed on by opposition make the Euro's go more extreme. It's really stupid, I have no bias towards any nation, my favourite 5 right now would be -

Calzaghe - Welsh
Mijares - Mexican
Guzman - Dominican
Gamboa - Cuban
Cotto - Puerto Rican

If anything, I'd appear more a latin-american nuthugger from that list.

So, if you want to talk about legitimate match ups and opinion, I am open to do that, but I grow tired of both of these hostile sides just throwing nonsense at each other and looking to bait.

 

I think I'm anti-Pavlik more than anything now, the hype on that B level operator is ABSURD. But if those Taylor apologists come out of the woodwork and flip out because Taylor decisively beat a Bika level opponent, I'd be back on termination mode.

 

But you're happier with Pavlik as middleweight champion than you were with Taylor, right? Better to have an overhyped guy who knocks people out than an overhyped guy who wins close decisions.

 

At least Pavlik can potentially be starched at any time, by sub-elite's mind you, ending his mess. Taylor would just have to win 5 rounds and cruise and he was garaunteed a decision.

And nobody yet is proclaiming Pavlik a 'future ATG', nobody is that ****ing stupid, but they did for Taylor, which irritated me while going back to the example with Kessler, is just a 1 dimensional robot to nearly half the boxing world.

And also Guzman is just some hype job to some, but Taylor was a future ATG!atsch

And let me clarify, I do think Taylor's a better fighter than Pavlik H2H against the SMW's and MW's in general. I pick Taylor over Abraham for example, 100% pick Abraham to end Pavlik's run by crushing KO. Pavlik just had the right style to bless us with a dethroning of Taylor.

Know also that the 'hate' got out of hand due to the amount of inside jokes I had going with multiple posters, as does other factors, like hyping Mijares.

 

Honestly, I am a bigger fan and was more impressed overall with Andre's brother, Anthony.

 

Then why no love for Calzaghe, Mijares, Guzman, Gamboa & basically my whole staple of top guys that I hype up?

They all have blazing fast hands. Kessler has really quick delivery also, his combinations when thrown are quick and as sharp as you'd want them to be.

AND just to add, Gamboa's hands are the fastest in boxing, ridiculous how fast he is.

 

I'd expect that he'd have to do a lot(Andre) to live down that Stevens fight with you. It truly was a disgrace.

By the way, I ended up ordering that on DVD, along with a few others, to use when I have insomnia episodes... and damn mate, do these fights put me out by the 3rd round like a medical cure!

 

Oh man, if you only knew how much he was bashed pre-Lacy and horrifically underrated. They didn't even rate him top 25 P4P, it was just absurd and he did in fact have some good performances before then that would have merited at least a top 15 rating and some recognition to set up bigger matches.

I posted a week before the fight that Calzaghe was going to win every single round and I got 90% backlash and laughter....:hey

And he does hit well, when he sits down on his left hook, it normally has stunned fighters it's landed on, take that beautiful body shot he landed on Kessler that made a thud that could be heard through the arena... if that's not a hard punch, what is?

Issue is his hands, he used to be a KO artist. A flush, sat down Calzaghe left hook is a powerful punch, I assure you. Pavlik would get creamed by this being a stationary target.

Do you like Mosely and Jones?:good

You're in for a treat then if you like fast hands and flashy skill, these guys define skill and speed, with precision timing. Supernatural.

 

I disagree. He started off fighting scared and even when he went for the stoppage against an opponent that wasn't really firing back at him, he didn't look very comfortable with what was going on. He looked extra twitchy that night too, probably because he felt extra pressure to look good and change his reputation. I doubt that his mentality will improve, fighters like this usually end up getting blown out by an aggressive top 10-15 type of fighter the moment they step up. The handspeed was very impressive, but I don't like watching fighters that look so panicky.

 

His handspeed and his timing are in the A class, but everything else is suspect, including power. Timing impressed me more than anything, he was able to touch Hanshaw with some crazy angle shots from whatever position and land them spot flush.

The gifts are there, but the issue's are also. That's why I was impressed, but not really.

 

I remember you telling us about the cures for insomnia. Dirrell-Stevens was on the list, but I can't remember anything else.

I've seen Anthony Dirrell fight live a couple times. He was in the Olympics too, but fought at light heavyweight instead of middleweight so his brother could potentially win the gold instead. Anthony fights like a guy who knows he has a solid chin. He's very aggressive, very calm and relaxed, has the same speed as his brother, but has awesome KO power. But at this point, I just wish him all the best outside of boxing, because he's suffering from lymphoma.

 

Wow, that's really sad. The only time I remember seeing him is when he was in the crowd during the Dirrell-Stevens fight. Your description of him seems very impressive. Do you know if his health is getting better?

 

calzage is atorture watching him fight somebody should tell him how to throw a punch instead of punching like a girl i dont know how can anyone enjoy watching him fight I cant wait foe pavlik to go up to 168 and KO that fool he is in fore a beating if he fights the ghost