Contrast Holmes' reign with Klitschko's.

HerolGee · Sep 22, 2018

the biggest difference is that holmes had no brother to help him out in case he got killed in seconds by a 36 yr old retired noone.
and holmes didnt face a 36 year old retired noone in the first place to get killed in seconds anyway, so.

but if holmes did have a brother to help him out, then his brother wouldnt have a job in boxing.

Birmingham · Sep 22, 2018

HerolGee said: ↑

the biggest difference is that holmes had no brother to help him out in case he got killed in seconds by a 36 yr old retired noone.
and holmes didnt face a 36 year old retired noone in the first place to get killed in seconds anyway, so.

but if holmes did have a brother to help him out, then his brother wouldnt have a job in boxing.
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Victim mentality right here..

HerolGee · Sep 22, 2018

Birmingham said: ↑

Victim mentality right here..
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victim mentality for mentioning klithscko, in a klithcko thread.

you are on a clear winner here Brum

Mendoza · Sep 22, 2018

IntentionalButt

For Klitschko:

Brock - IB's take: not a bum (underrated, although Klitschko detractors will often claim the opposite. Brock had banked – if you’ll pardon the pun – solid performances against Big Time McCline in a fun televised romp by HW standards and the Black Rhino, whose head he mounted over his fireplace. He was coming off his career-best result, but in a lackluster affair, over previously unbeaten Timur “not quite Sultan” Ibragimov. Brock had skills, and based on what he showed h2h more than any depth in his resume, dismantling him so thoroughly as WK did was no trifling matter.

Austin - IB's take: not a bum (there was nothing special about the late bloomer, and nothing to suggest he could topple WK except having a bit of size to him…and he didn’t have many feats to his name besides close scrapes with Donald, Beck and Iggy – but he was passing fair and counted among the crop of top contenders of the day, such as it was – and WK destroyed him exclusively with his weaker hand using a punch nobody really considered part of his arsenal. That alone elevates this one from ‘borderline’ – the sheer unexpectedness of the method by which brutality was dispensed&#8230

Brewster II - IB's take: garbage, non-creditable victory (Brewster was legally half blind, and had permanently ruined himself in the Liakhovich war)

Ibragimov - IB's take: not a bum (light-hitting and not terribly athletic but still did perhaps the best of any of the “small” heavies against WK. Very intelligent game plan, if aesthetically displeasing for the fans. Solid heavyweight – not better than Chagaev or Haye, but his performance when he got his shot trumped either of theirs.)

Thompson I - IB's take: not a bum (big rangy fox-smart southpaw. Slow of hand but making up for it with nice timing and instincts, very comfortable and relaxed in the ring. Nuff said. This had the looks of a trickier night than usual for WK, and indeed it was&#8230

Rahman - IB's take: garbage, non-creditable victory (beyond shot by this point, and would have been a sucker for the WK 1-2 in his prime)

Chagaev - IB's take: not a bum (yeah, there was the hepatitis and he wasn’t quite the same as when he beat Valuev or during his rise up the ranks – but he was still damn good, the legitimate WBA champion and IMO was still the #2 h2h in the division at that point)

Chambers - IB's take: not a bum (tiny but more skilled than anyone else in the available field of contention, was game but couldn’t solve the puzzle or avoid the hammer)

Peter II - IB's take: not a bum (it wasn’t the same Peter that had used WK for a basketball a few years earlier, but he was still dangerous enough and had that psychological edge of having come very near inducing a panic attack)

Haye - IB's take: not a bum (loses some luster because of Haye's complete negativity and refusal to engage, but it was still the #1 threat on the horizon and it was a shutout – so highly creditable given how the champ performed under the conditions that presented themselves)

Mormeck - IB's take: garbage, non-creditable victory (fine champ at Cruiser but never meant for heavy, old, fat, shot, and had secured his contender berth with gifts over middling back-end top 25 types)

Thompson II – borderline (Thompson wasn’t all that much different from their previous encounter and indeed has gone on to do well since, but he didn’t bring anything new and Wladimir already knew he could get to him eventually. Thompson earned his rematch and ‘deserved’ it more than contemporary ranked heavies, but it was still pointless and the repeat outcome inevitable. Thompson didn't learn or bring any new tricks and WK already had taken his full measure. Final determination: neither a bum nor a creditable defense...toss it out with the other garbage...)

Wach - IB's take: garbage, non-creditable victory (giant PED-fueled heavy bag of no real use in the ring)

Pianeta - IB's take: garbage, non-creditable victory (feather fists, slow, not very mobile – basically a sitting duck)

So now we'll take our leftover non-bums and grade them (subjectively) using the academic lettering system.

For Klitschko we are left with:

Brock B
Austin B-
Ibragimov A-
Thompson I B+
Chagaev A-
Chambers A-
Peter II B-
Haye B+
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Did you forget to add the man fighting tonight? Povektin.

IntentionalButt · Sep 22, 2018

Mendoza said: ↑

Did you forget to add the man fighting tonight? Povektin.
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Read the date. Klitschko had not yet fought Povetkin when my thread began, 5 years ago.

HerolGee · Sep 22, 2018

one question is, if holmes had a better brother, could he have aslked his better brother to beat Spinks and then return to keep defending against weaklings such as Pianeta, Wach, Jennings etc

Mendoza · Sep 22, 2018

kirk said: ↑

Poll is tied at 2-2-2
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Wlad's is better but not by much. If you add Povetkin he's passes Holmes.

ideafix12 · Nov 20, 2019

I would change these

Zanon B-
Snipes B-
Berbick A-
Spinks A-
Thompson A-
Chambers B
Chagaev B+
Haye A-

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