Contrasting effects of performance-enhancing drug use on boxing holistically versus other pro sports

incorrect, some PEDS do have side effects and they have to be taken in correct doses as some can be very harmful in the immediate and long term. There should be used under an educated supervision (well shouldnt be used at all but you know what I mean) Plenty of people have had problems from misuse of PEDS

 

Well if they can make midgets jump up 20 weight classes and still have endless stamina and the power to hurt much bigger guys.... and give chubby guys with no stamina the stamina to powerpunch and run for 12 rounds.... i'd say they work pretty damn well

With PEDs.... you can cross the event horizon

 

Yes EPO is the big one at the moment. Very difficult to detect unless you go absolutely crazy on it.

There was the Spanish doping doctor, Eufemiano Fuentes, who was given a one year suspended sentence. There are currently hundreds of blood samples of his athletes, with coded names on them, that are stored in a freezer in Spain, and the Spanish high court has ordered these samples to be DESTROYED, it is an absolutely scandalous decision, I think that decision is being challenged but it was a few years ago now and haven't heard much about it since, so we'll probably never find out which athletes were doping.

But it is big business, a doctor or chemist will become extremely wealthy if they can help give athletes a massive edge over their competitors. And even when a doctor becomes discovered, you have a government still covering up for the athletes so as not to destroy the "integrity" of sport.

I bet there are hundreds more doctors out there like Eufemiano Fuentes.

 

Yes, you just need to look at the East German athletes of the 1970s Olympics and professional wrestlers to know that steroids and hormones can have an extremely detrimental effect on your health and life expectancy.

I used to go on a men's health forum about 15 years ago, and there were so many posters who thought that steroids were safe, as long as you take them correctly and know what you are doing. They were kind of like in a little bubble, where they would all convince themselves that they'd be okay because they were being sensible.

I was almost thinking about trying them out myself, but I have a friend who is a personal trainer and spoke to him about it and he convinced me in no uncertain terms not to touch them with a bargepole, and I'm so glad now he convinced me.

Back then, it wasn't so easy to find good research on the internet, but most the accepted research now shows that normally after about 10 years of prolonged use of steroids it will begin to have irreversible and detrimental effects on your heart and other organs. And if you carry on taking them after this time frame it will very likely be a direct cause of fatality.

Easy I suppose to fool yourself in the short term when you look and feel great, but my advice would be not to start, and if you already have started, then stop immediately. Don't just read and digest the stuff that you want to see, but check out the peer reviewed scientific papers on the subject or the documentaries that cover this.

 

spot on bud, also every single human is different what would be harmful to you or I might not be harmful to others. Different bodies produce different reactions and results

 

In a nut shell yes, however minimal. There are fans that break it down and make out different scenarios where it isn't really helpful to a boxers career, but its quite clearly obvious it helps out in general, that's why people that use them are classed as cheats, and that's why its banned !

 

Yeah, I don't think you could ever predict with exact terms how soon steroids will start having a "noticeable" detrimental effect on your physical health, or when or if it will kill you, like you say everyone is different, people take different dosages and there are many different types of steroids out there, but the research I was reading a while back, where weightlifters who were taking anabolic steroids for a decade and were approaching middle age, had all started to show signs of damage to their heart or cardiac muscle, compared to the weightlifters who weren't taking steroids who were mostly fine.

That's not to say they would necessarily notice the damage by the 10 year point, but the damage is there, their heart will be weakened by this point, and the damage is probably irreversible. If anyone has reached 10 years of use, or more (or less), I would stop now before you do any more damage.

 

you'd be a fool to mess with chemical balance of your body. Its internally monitored within narrow boundaries for a good reason, excess leads to several types of disease and illness.

 

Yeah of course they could work.. Is it right though? Of course not obviously.. But yeah.. If they get away with it it will work and it could potentially seriously hurt the other fighter's life as well

 

Its absolutely asinine to believe that drugs that enhance your strength, endurance, recovery time, and pain resistence dont have a benefit to boxers. Im reminded of the ridiculously jacked bodybuilders who take steroids in MASSIVE (and I use the term steroids as generic descriptor for all PEDs) quantities but try to convince you that really its their hard work, not the steroids that garner results. Bull****. If thats the case they wouldnt go through the expense, the trouble to avoid getting caught, and health risks. The facts are that Peds work and work really well. They may not teach you better boxing skills but they will make you bigger, stronger, faster, more durable, able to train longer, recover quicker, and fight harder at a faster pace for longer. If you think none of that can improve a boxers win/loss record your nuts.

 

if you are really training hard and at your limits then surely it gives you an edge if done in a smart way.

it also has to be an issue about the mentality/demands of the sport, some sports are just riddled with controversy. cycling and sprinting being two obvious ones and to a lesser extent boxing.

cycling up mountains for 250 kms a day for weeks at a time is just about the toughest thing you can do, the drugs aspect isnt hard to figure out. sprinting is more of an ego thing i suspect, not that it isnt hard and exremely competitive but anyone can run 100 meters, the edge is what these eltie guys are looking for, that extra tenth of a second is the difference. no wonder so many of the top ones have been caught on something, probably certain teams also have developed a culture also, i remember most of the jamican sprinters got busted a few years ago.

boxing is a combination of factors, fitness being just one, you can be juiced to the eyeballs and get outboxed by someone who has terrible stamina.

yet how many sportsmen are geting busted and you have to laugh, because they clearly have no idea what it means to train hard. they see it as a shortcut, which it cant be, because they are still useless. teper made me chuckle. he really got caught with loads of stuff yet it looks like his training consisted of 25 kebabs a day, and then a shot of drugs to counteract it all.

 

They absolutely work for boxers as well as other athletes, why take them if they didn't, and risk a suspension or banning.

 

The reason you don’t think you see them work for boxers like other athletes is because it is a completely subjective sport. Athletics, cycling etc have tangible records than can be looked at throughout history, I’m sure if there were objective measurements that could be taken for punch power, punch speed etc they would be on a steadily increasing trajectory.

 

Yeah, I think if you want to be highly successful in almost anything, doesn't matter if it is business, politics, law, acting, finance, computing or sport, you have to live and breath it and be totally driven.

If you live and breath boxing, put everything you have into it, and the rare times you don't happen to be training you are constantly thinking about it, even waking up from from your sleep dreaming about it, I suspect you have every chance of going far and beating most dopers who aren't putting their all into it.

The trouble is though, there are people who live and breath boxing, are highly driven AND they are getting artificial help on top of that. Those people are going to be beasts, and will most likely have more sustained success than any clean boxer who is similarly driven. The clean sportsman might have some limited success but they are also highly likely going to burn out far quicker and find it impossible to sustain or keep up any success they might have achieved.