Controversial boxing opinions....

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  1. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    So.... if he didn't lose, he would be different?

    The same can be said about almost every boxer who ever lost a fight. The cold, hard fact is that he DID get KTFO by feather-fisted Sven Ottke.

    If you think the Ottke KO is the only reason for his limitations, that means there were no limitations going into that fight and he had no excuse for getting flattened by a man who "hits like a girl". Therefore if Ottke hadn't KO him, somebody else would have.... and worse.
     
  2. Had mike tyson not left kevin rooney after the spinks fight he would have defo become TOP 3 ATG
     
  3. this bloke

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    what i meant was it was to early in his career to be fighting for a world title they brought his level of opposition up to soon especially after having less than 10 amateur fights they just could of brought him along a bit slower

    how many other fighters u know of that fought 4 a title after 10 professional fights and very l;ittle amateur experience
     
  4. Haye

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    Audley Harrison has a granite chin.
     
  5. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Roberto Duran and Aaron Pryor would have put beatings on Floyd Mayweather
    Wladimir Klitschko is an ATG heavyweight (head to head)
    Juan Diaz will become one of the great lightweights
    Kelly Pavlik knocks out Winky Wright
    Pernell Whitaker is the best lightweight ever (head to head)
     
  6. Drexl

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    A combination of arrogance, impatience and age led to that. Nobody to blame but himself.

    So what are the excuses for the Siaca and Kessler losses?
     
  7. this bloke

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    your right it was his own fault no one else to blame
    the excuses for the others
    a lack of confidence and self belief after the knockout loss from a 'feather fisted' ottke
    i think his confidence and belief in his chin was coming back after the kessler loss because he took some good shots from someone who many people regard as the hardest puncher in the division and he had a couple of good wins after that loss but then this eye injury come along[which again was his own fault]
    i still believe he would beat calzaghe
     
  8. sambob

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    This may be true, but then on the other hand, he outweighs many ATG heavyweights by 50+ lbs!

    I'm not really in favor of adding weight classes usually, but I think the recent super sized heavyweights, starting with Lennox, that is, big men that can actually fight, could be said to be super heavyweights, not just heavyweights. Now I don't think the boxing public will ever accept a super heavyweight weight class, since there is so much history to the heavyweight division and since its a 'glamour' division.

    But in terms of comparing fighters, I feel that fighters over 225 lbs, especially those that are upwards of 250, or approaching 250, shouldn't be compared to guys that fought UNDER 200 lbs during much of their career (before the cruiserweight class of course).
     
  9. Drexl

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    Fair enough.

    I disagree about Calzaghe, but that's what this thread is about. :good
     
  10. Drexl

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    I thought it was "I'll never let a boy from Arkansas beat me"...? :think



    :yep
     
  11. Thread Stealer

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    Agree with both.
     
  12. Thread Stealer

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    I really don't see how the 1st round and 3rd round were clear for Oscar.

    In round 1, Ike controlled the great majority of the round with his jab and even a jab-hook. DLH flurried late in the round with some nice combos. Lampley said Quartey blocked them but I don't think all of them were caught by his elbows and gloves. DLH got threw with a few, some to the body (which may have actually landed in an illegal spot, due to Quartey's placement of his elbows).

    In round 3, DLH had a very nice counter right hand off the ropes, but that was the only thing of significance he did in that round. They had a very good exchange late in the round and Quartey caught DLH with about 3 good shots, including a left hand that moved DLH back.

    Still, as I said on the classic forum, this gift wasn't as big of a gift as Shavers-Ali (which may be another "controversial" or unpopular opinion).

    I have no clue at all how some people said Ali won it. He'd throw these flurries, most of which hit air and glove, some that got through, and Shavers hit Ali with big, hard shots. Ali's chin was amazing, but he did not win that fight. Shavers won 9-6 and I think I was trying to be generous to Ali.
     
  13. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Harry Greb has benefited from having no fight film.

    Pernell Whitaker is overrated he does not have a good enough quality on his resume to even be considered top ten p4p. (Which many believe he is)

    If Joe Calzaghe was 5 years older he would not been anywhere near as successful due to the competition.

    James Jeffries is very overrated and would lose to all the current heavyweight champs.

    Fritzie Zivic was a great fighter not just a brainless cheat which many feel he was.
     
  14. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Both this and the Tyson comments seem more like popular opinion than controversial opinions to me... :think
     
  15. Drexl

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    Hmm.. maybe. I see both arguments quite often.