Controversial decisions of notable Heavyweights how it effects their standing ?

An interesting discussion i just thought of based on @MaccaveliMacc thread in regards to Holyfield/Valuev.

This is just based on your opinions BTW in regards to how you scored these fights.

So basically your opinions on how you scored these fights would be the official decisions in a hypothetical scenario.

How much of a difference do you think some of these controversial decisions that these notable Heavyweights won or lost would make a difference to their overall standing ?


I'll give a few examples.

Muhammad Ali

Jones = Ali won 6-4 IMO.
Norton 2 = Ali won 7-5 IMO.
Norton 3 = Ali lost 8-7 IMO.
Young = Draw IMO.
Shavers = Ali 8-7 IMO.

So based on how i saw these fights Ali would have 6 losses instead of 5.

1 less win with a draw over Young.

1 more loss to Norton and losing the trilogy overall.

Based on my scoring and losing the trilogy to Norton i probably wouldn't have Ali as the number 1 Heavyweight anymore.

Another factor is would Ali ever regain the title again ?


Larry Holmes

Norton = Holmes won 8-7 IMO.
Witherspoon = Holmes won 7-5 IMO.
Williams = Draw IMO.
Spinks 1 = Holmes lost 8-7 IMO.
Spinks 2 = Holmes won 10-5 IMO.
McCall = Draw IMO.
Nielsen = Holmes won 7-4-1 IMO.
Harris = Holmes lost 6-4 IMO.

Based on my scoring Holmes would have an extra title win and being 1-1 with Spinks which may be enough to give him a more of deciding edge over Lewis in the overall standings.


George Foreman

Stewart = Foreman won 5-5 with the 2 knockdown edge IMO.
Schultz = Foreman lost 8-4 IMO.
Savarese = Foreman won 6-6 with a 1 point deduction edge IMO.
Briggs = Foreman won 7-5 IMO.

So Foreman's official record would stay the same but he would only have 4 world title wins instead of 6.

How much of a difference would that make to his overall standing ?

Foreman may go down a few places IMO.


Tyson Fury

McDermott 1 = Fury lost 6-4 IMO.
Ngannou = Fury lost 5-5 with the knockdown IMO.

With 4 losses on his record and a terrible loss to an MMA fighter Fury would not even be in my top 30 TBH.

 

A loss to an MMA fighter whilst he was the current Heavyweight champion of the world wouldn't of seriously effected his legacy and standing ?

I know you are a Fury fan but that is total nonsense.

 

An Olympic gold medalist who was ranked as top 10 Heavyweight at the time.

Compared to an MMA fighter who never had a professional boxing fight in his life.

No losing to an MMA fighter would be far worse.

 

Fury couldn't make Ngannou fall for his feints and couldn't make use of his clinching as he was overpowered in the clinches.

Basically no plan B after that Fury showing limitations.

 

Spinks beat and stopped highly dangerous puncher Bernardo Mercado who sparked out Berbick quicker than a prime Tyson did.

So I'd say no to that.

 

How would those decisions change the overall standings of each fighter ?

How much higher or lower would you rank them ?