Controversial decisions thread

He was a perfect example of what TUF should be about.

His career pre 2005 was hit and miss, once he won TUF, aside from that fight with Jardine his career was a great one.

He easily could have got the Tito decision first time round and apart from Evans, Jardine and Silva he beat everyone he fought.

 

That's why I love UFC, Griffin wins a tourney and still ahs to go through two exceptionally hard fights to win the title.

No easy routes to the top.

If someone is a champ, you know they've sent it.

 

I thought Page deserved the nod over Griffin but it was close and I can understand someone scoring it the other way. Griffin's win over Shogun I view as an anomaly that only could've happened due to the extensive injuries that the later had which didn't allow him to train or perform anywhere close to his best. The most annoying thing were Pride bashers using these fights as proof that the UFC was always better than Pride.

 

1,3,4

 

Octagon control refers to positional grappling control which Griffin had none of. Quality over Quantity for me. Jackson was landing the more effective, damaging strikes imo

 

I just re-watched the fight, Jackson had a better round 5 then I remembered. He did a better job of staying at range to avoid the prodding jabs and leg kicks of Griffin and came back to land some good shots in the later half of the round, that one could've gone either way.

 

That’s not true, he definitely didn’t have his timing down. Jackson was doing of good job of catching and slipping shots. Griffin hand a hard time landing from range apart from some leg kicks, he missed the vast majority of his punches.

Here’s a time stamp of the significant blows landed in round 5. Definitely not the one sided round you’re claiming it to be.

4:30 Griffin sold leg kick
4:13 jackson lands good counter right hand
3:30 Griffin lands good straight right.
3:20 Griffin big leg kick
3:15 Jackson good left hook/right hand combo
3:10 solid right hand hand by Griffin, partially blocked
2:54 Jackson solid bodyshot
2:45 Griffin high kick, blocked
2:43 jabs, right hands Griffin, slipped by Jackson
2:08 Griffin solid right hand as Jacksn was backing away
2:03 Griffin grazing right hand after 2 jabs fall short
1:57 Griffin high kick, blocked
1:55 Jackson Solid left hook
1:37 Griffin Sold leg kick
1:34 Griffin Solid inside leg kick
1:34 Jackson solid 3 punch head/body combo
1:21 Griffin 2 sold knees
1:21 Jackson solid uppercut/hook combo
1:16 Griffin solid leg kick
1:11 They exhange right hands, Jackson’s was harder, Griffin stumbles back
0:48 Jackson solid combo
0:35 Griffin inside leg kick
0:22 Jackson bodyshot
0:18 close range punching exchange, jackson gets the better of it
last 10 secs wild exchanges, jackson gets the better of it.

 

For me, Jackson beating Liddell justified Pride being a level above UFC on this division.

The fights that really look bad in the whole Pride Vs UFC are Rua Vs Griffin and Cro Cop Vs Gonzaga.

These were the two most feared fighters in Pride and they'd destroyed recent opponents.

Fedor, Nog, and Wandy were all known to be slipping a bit. Different degrees but none of them were really prime any more. But Rua and Cro Cop were seen as peak fighters.

We know with hindsight that Cro Cop didn't train properly for Gonzaga and that Rua was suffering injuries but I can understand those who say they're just excuses.

These two were supposed to come in and dominate UFC.

We know in MMA if you aren't fully prepared you'll make a mistake and with this form of combat you can't do that. Rua gassing, Cro Cop not training to defend elbows on the ground. Very costly lapses that do reflect bad on Pride.