I have never rated Wilder - I have been waiting for him to face someone who brings it His footwork is very poor He doesnt have a good jab either - its a measuring stick only His defence is non-existent at times He does have a wicked right hand He is very brave with a lot of heart He was protected and steered through hand picked poor quality opposition Even against an ancient Ortiz he looked bad under the small amount of pressure he was put under He took Fury because he 'knew' he was washed up, coke-addled fat man He was caught out 1st fight with Fury he lost in reality - the draw was shocking - the third card was ludicrous 2nd fight he was annihilated and not big enough to take the beating Any fighter who brings pressure would cause him problems and expose him - heavy costume or not The problem of course is he hasn't faced anyone else due to the cherry picks So - for those of you that disagree - lets get him in with people like Hunter, Whyte, Ruiz Jr, even Chisora; anyone that brings heat If he fights his way through and still lands his bomb then fair play to him
Who was close to being top 10 when wilder faced them? Fury beat the **** out of him Wilder went twice life and death against Ortiz And stiverne was always an obese bum So wilder flattened every possible loser. Worst title reign if all time, protected by the we be crooks. Wilder is a one trick pony who will always lose to the normal top 5 of every era
Joshua has a great chance to prove himself as a warrior, he has the Reach & frame to land clean punches at Wilder from the opening bell. That is his only chance, otherwise he will be a big meaty target for Deontay Wilder. All Wilder opponents deluded themselves that they are winning (by "outboxing" Wilder), in reality they were picking the best moment to get flattened by one-shot. All Deontay Wilder opponents including Tyson Fury thought it possible to outbox Wilder and later got their brain rattled by the sudden impact of Wilder hypersonic right hand...like that it was all gone You can outbox Wilder easily...if you want HLs to look good, but you will get flattened. Every promoter and boxer knows that facing Deontay Wilder means a certain flattening, so we can expect Match Room to do all they can to delay the inevitable, eventually they will liquidate AJ vs Deontay Wilder in a series of entertaining rematches.
You have to be joking right ? Did you watch the second fight? Furys footwork to create angles isnt what cancelled out wilders right hand. It was him closing the distance and backing wilder up. Joshua has already mentioned this in an interview before the wilder fight. Wilder needs the ring to load up on his right needs to stay comfortable on the outside to eventually find an opening to get you. And Wilder got outjabbed by Gerald Washington and outboxed comfortably by Luis Ortiz and Artur Szpilka. Wilder eventually got them but both of them aren't on Joshuas level. Joshua is far better on the front than fury is, punches harder and far better in the pocket. Wilder got caught with some counters againt Ortiz and Joshuas a better counter puncher. Wilder knows this too. He'd be extremely hesitant to even be anywhere near joshua in the ring.
Ive already explained this. People are idiots. Wilder needs to prove himself at world level more before we say "oh he beats everyone except Fury and Aj" Get him in the ring with other world class fighters and lets see him beat them before we assume such. Im tired of Wilder living off of the Luis Ortiz wins here. Thats legit his only good win and even then he struggled greatly in both fights
Wilder right now loses to a ton of guys, and that's not taking into account his possibly ruined mental condition. In the top ten alone Joshua, Fury, Usyk, Ruiz, Hunter and Joyce beat him. Povetkin and Whyte would be competitive fights. My prediction is he's going to look like hot garbage against Martin, and this thread's going to suddenly look a whole lot more prophetic.
How can anyone accurately rate Wilders power? Yes he looks to have a powerful right hand, no denying that, but it’s untested against any quality. Wilder has fought 1 live opponent and got bullied and bashed all over the ring. Everyone else he ever fought was of dubious quality including Fury part One. You cannot judge the quality of a mans power against top class fighters if he hasn’t fought any top class fighters. He’s despatched fighters who had no desire or ambition, fighters who had no right to be fighting a World Champion, fighters who had no desire to stay upright and even less to get up off the canvass. How the hell can you compare that with the opponents faced and despatched by Lewis, Foreman, Tyson, Liston, Louis and so on. Wilder and his handlers did themselves no favours because they robbed Deontay and the boxing fans of any chance to really judge and assess Wilders ability by never allowing him to fight anyone of any real quality.
Tell me how fury closed that distance and backed him up? Dont tell me what he done tell me how he done it. They all try to close the distance on wilder. But most of them have limited ability in doing it. Mostly its basically attempting to walk forward. Fury came in at angles...he has much better lateral movement than joshua. Thats what allowed him to do what he done. Fury can punch on the move coming in from different angles. Thats why wilder was clueless. Joshua has to plant to throw a punch in comparison. That will be the big difference and why joshua will end up a sitting duck just like 42 of wilders opponents. Joshua definetely not a better counterpuncher than ortiz. Thats what ortiz is a counterpuncher. He works off your aggresion. Wonder why wilders output went down against ortiz. It was actually smart tactics. The more you throw at ortiz the more he,ll make you pay for it. Go and watch ortiz fight jennings. Jennings outpunched ortiz considerably that night...and yet it played straight into ortiz,s hands. He wants you to throw at him because thats basically all he is...a counterpuncher...hes a good one tho. Its a flawed cuban style...but its basically built off of counterpunching. Joshua 100 percent not a better counterpuncher than ortiz. He may be a better fighter...but hes not a better counterpuncher.
Ill tell you how, he closed the distance with his dominant jab and add to that wilders reluctance to fight on the inside and you can see how he backed wilder up a majority or the fight. In addition to that Fury rode wilders shots off and that messed with wilders initial balance. And since wilder has no close range tools fury was able to get all over him and beat him down. He didnt use much angles like he did against Wladimir. And im telling you now Joshua is WAY better than Fury going forward. And joshua and fury are different as well in this aspect. Joshua can counter a jab or a punch from wilder and end him right there You haven't seen wilder get beat before he fought fury because he hasn't fought anybody else besides ortiz. He's overrated. His resume is thin. Whyte and arguably Pulev posses better resumes. Wait hold up you said Ortiz is a better counter puncher than Aj ? Lol
Just compare the first ten opponents from other long time champions and you will see the difference. Wlad first 10 completely sh... on wilders resume Joshua title reign completely sh... on wilders Lennox Holyfield Tyson Even Holmes And even Marciano and Joe louis
Wilder should have raw feces thrown at him everywhere he goes until he publicly admits he created tons of BS excuses rather than simply admit he lost a fight. freaking idiot,
