Controversial Opinions Update #1 Primo Carnera

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Rollin, Jan 7, 2023.


Has your opinion on Primo Carnera changed in recent years?

  1. Yes, I rate him higher than before.

  2. Yes, I rate him lower than before.

  3. My opinion hasn't changed.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    With regard to the Schaff fight, the rankings pretty much tell the story.

    There was a triad between Carnera, Schaff and Poreda, at the same time that a Baer Schmeling bout was starting to look likely.

    These men made up the top five at the end of 1932.

    Schaff would have known that the winner of his fight with Carnera, would very likely get a title shot.

    He would also have understood, that if he didn't take the fight, the title shot would go elsewhere.

    If he drops out of his fight with Carnera, then it goes to whoever in the top five, agrees terms with and beats another top five contender.

    That is why Schaff climbed out of the trench, and walked to the front line!
     
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  2. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Seems like Very plausible scenario. He had already beaten many good men and didn’t want the opportunity to pass him by
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I admit that seems most likely.
     
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  4. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Primo fought with 19 oz. gloves.
     
  5. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    My profile for Carnera:

    Primo Carnera 6'6, 85' reach, 262 lbs.

    Boxer puncher/outside fighter, old school stance, Orthodox. Sunday Punches: Heavy jab, powerful uppercut and overhand right. Info: Carnera is one of the largest men to hold the title. Even today with the rise of the tall athletes, he still boasts an impressive size. While Carnera lacked coordination and speed, he knew how to impose his size and strength in the ring. He would sometimes paw with his jab as a range finder, but once he comnected that could be the end of the fight.

    Power: 7
    Defense: 4
    Hand speed: 4
    Chin: 6
    Stamina: 7
    Foot speed: 5
    Combination punching: 3
    Punch variety: 4
    Physical strength: 9
    Technique: 4
    Ring IQ: 5
    Accuracy: 5
    Heart: 8

    Overall rating: 5.5
     
  6. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Classic board continues to earn its negative reputation
     
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  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    For propaganda purposes Carnera was going to be filmed beating on a POW in boxing match for the Italian army. He was KO’d.
     
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  8. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't even find it difficult to appreciate the man nowadays. Interesting style, enormous heart, and clear shortcomings. As legit a champion as any in the history.
     
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis
    Riddick Bowe
    Roy Jones Jr
    Larry Holmes, especially Larry Holmes

    The only modern champion I see beating him is Michael Bentt and he may have to settle for a split decision
     
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  10. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Carnera gets a bad reputation because of the mobster that I forgot the name that ran his career, but I learned that even Tyson Fury has those.
    So, we need to erase that from Carnera when speaking bad about him or at least we should mention that moer regarding Fury.
    From the footage you see, there is not indication that he didn't knock out Sharkey, yet people say that that was a dive or something... where is the proof ?

    Anyway, Carnera had a nice uppercut, didn´t he ? Could use his muscles in the clinch and he had a nice jab.
     
  11. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Primo suffers because of the stigma of his size. There were big men in his era, there were bigger man than him in his era, whom he beat comfortably, and who had none of his success. He was relatively accomplished as a boxer because of his huge heart, decent defense, horse-like engine, and a class jab.
     
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  12. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    El quilmeño Victorio Campolo was one, and Carnera beat him twice if I remember well....
     
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  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This is how I see it.
     
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  14. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    You seems to think more highly of him than I do. At the moment I rank him fairly low, thinking he would have a decent chance against perhaps seven other Lineal Heavyweight Champions. Your view of him (middle of the pack in a previous post in this thread) encourage me to reconsider.

    I am going to take another look at him. There may be more there than I have realized so far.
     
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  15. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You kinda have to look beyond aesthetics with Primo and judge him solely based on utilitarian use of the techniques he employs. One particular aspect of his game (jab aside) worth taking a look at is his clinch game derived from Jack Johnson—biceps control instead of under or overhooks to diminish the halt in action, allowing for sudden rushes of roughhousing and up close punches. Worth keeping in mind that he had a gargantuan gas tank absolutely unencumbered by 270lbs of muscles, massive recuperative power, and Marciano-tier heart.

    There are ringside clips of him fighting Uzcudun, and the sudden explosions of bull like, mauling inside entries are pure terror for the smaller fighters. He was definitely a Sandy Saddler kind of boxer, who benefited from fifteen rounds distance.
     
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