Cooney vs. JJW

cooney by brutal ko, the chin of walcott is not taking these left hooks, and i am waiting for the nostagilc now... no.. michael spinks faced a past prime cooney, and spinks got a much better chin than walcott.

 

The emaciated JJW who fought Abe Simon (for example) loses to Cooney...the real thing was shifty enough to in all likelihood evade Cooney's big left hooks, pepper him with hard, stinging jabs & counters and break him down in about 9-12 rounds.

 

It would seem on the surface that a proven warrior such as Jersey Joe Walcott who fought in some 70 pro fights, going life and death with some of history's most notable hall of famers should win this. But Larry Holmes who was a legit top five heavyweight champion and arguably one of the division's greatest boxers took 13 rounds to break down Cooney - taking plenty of hard shots along the way and while being prime. Most others who entered the ring with Cooney weather quality or otherwise were hurt by anything he landed. I don't know.. I can't see Walcott doing the same masterful job of outboxing Cooney the way that Holmes did, as good as he was. And at 6'0" 190 something and with average power, I'm not sure that he'd be a huge stoppage threat. Jersey was also stopped, KO'd, floored or stunned plenty of times by men with less threatening arsenals.. Not sure I'd put my money on Arnold Cream.

 

I think Cooney has a puncher's chance because he had brutal power, but he had to be set to deliver it. Walcott would be on the move and giving Gerry angles, setting him up for hard counters.

I think you are under rating Joe's power and overrating Larry's. Holmes could pop a bit but was more speed than power, like Ali. The only reason Cooney wobbled was because Gerry had a weak chin.

I think Cooney was too static and one dimensional for Walcott.

 

Walcott would thoroughly outbox, out-think, outmanuevre, and out-class Cooney.

 

you make some fair points, and it might very well have panned out the way you say. But I don't know that Cooney was too static or that Walcott was too elusive to get hit. Cooney had fast hands and underrated boxing ability. His sizable reach might have even negated any speed advantage Walcott may have had. Joe Louis was 34 years of age and had spent much of the previous 5 years fighting in exhibitions more so than real fights, yet he found Walcott. Rocky took him out with one shot in their rematch, though Joe was past it I realize. And Walcott's power was respectable but I wouldn't classify him as a true puncher. Only a boxer who could crack when he had to, and never against a man of 6'6", 225 lbs.

 

yes, you out dream also to all the forum

 

Eras heavy, eras! Can you see that?
Let's try a 1982 Jersey Joe vs. a 1948 Cooney? Wanna bet the house on that one? atsch
Era comparisons suck, plain and simple......

 

Walcott was able to survive Louis and Marciano early on so my thinking is Cooney never fought past 8 rounds so that is where you want to take him unless its gets easy earlier.

Cooney had one of the best left hooks to the body and head that I have seen but JJW was pretty cagey and he had Louis down 3x, Marciano once and scored a few one punch KO's and may have had some of the best one punch pinpoint power in the heavyweight division

Cooney had size and power but JJW had great legs and slippery as a flounder when he was in the mode and im think he can catch and drop Cooney early as well. If I had one criticism of Walcott is after he dropped you he would admire his work and shuffle rather than go in for the kill. He did go in for the kill against Marciano in the first rd after dropping him but Marciano recovered quickly.

JJW took hard shots vs Louis and Marciano Ezzard Charles as well, when Louis got him in was a 6 piece of power/speed that would have taken down a horse. Based on Cooneys best fight against a 200 lb man I would have to go with Walcott

 

Fair assessment. Not sure I'd favor Walcott, but a more than reasonable argument nonetheless.

 

Wake up, Dude, and smell the coffee! Cooney was an amateur compared to Walcott!

 

Prime Cooney wrecks Walcott in short order.


Just kidding Walcott gives Cooney a boxing lesson and tkos him in later rounds.


Either outcome is plausible as both were kinda unpredictable.

 

I think describing Walcott as having "Average" power, is a bit of an understatement. Walcott was rated # 66 on the Rings Top 100 punchers of all time list.
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_punchers.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0hZKnQ07IE
That is some serious power right there

 

Maghoo,

Perhaps you should watch Walcott against a man of Cooneys Size.

Hein Ten Hoff is 6'5 220lb 84" reach


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmNZZXLMng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZJtdVKW4A


Hoff wasn't a bum. He was an 18-0 european heavyweight champion, and sported a high knockout percentage.
Hoff wasn't world class, but he could fight for a giant. Watch this devastating knockout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3N5w2G7b4I


Look at how good Walcott is at avoiding a 6'5 84" reach jab, with his spectacular head movement. Futhermore, Walcott's elusive footwork allowed him to get in and out of range so fast, and take unpredictable tricky angles so he could land hard counterpunches out of nowhere. Walcott had a terrific left jab, tripled it in combinations, he could land it on anyone. Lastly, Walcott had legitimate knockout power in both hands. Cooney would be severely hurt if caught by one of Walcotts counter right hands. Walcotts style is so unique because he was basically a defensive cutie with knockout power in both hands. How many of those have we seen in history? He had the perfect style to tackle a giant like Cooney. He had the power to hurt him, the unpredictable footwork to get in and out of range to avoid harm, and the speed/ring IQ/skills to outbox the giant. Walcott has a bag of tricks in his arsenal Cooney never saw before, he would befuddle Cooney at all times..Cooney would be swinging and striking out all night, and Walcott would make him pay.


You talk about the Joe Louis fight. Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time. Even at 33 years old, he would have knocked Cooney out cold. Look at what the 32-33 year old Louis did to Mauriello one year earlier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oilt5AVZ4bo Clearly Louis was still an all time great puncher. Louis "found" Walcott.. Yes, the greatest puncher of all time found Walcott only after 26 rounds. He found with him possibly the greatest 6 punch combination ever thrown. Cooney does not throw combinations like that. Cooney did have one deadly left hook, but Walcott would not be fooled by a one trick pony like Cooney.

Walcott arguably beat Joe Louis in the first fight. Knocked Louis down 2x, and outboxed him. That is a near win over a 12 year reining heavyweight champion of the world. Given better scoring, that victory be considered an all time historic win. Regardless, it is far better than anything Cooney has on his resume. Cooney did not even come close to putting up that kind of effort vs Holmes.

Cooney certainly wasn't some superheavyweight destroyer of small men. Michael Spinks, a blown up light-heavyweight..easily I mean EASILY defeated Cooney. Cooney was past his prime, but the manner in which he got defeated has to raise some eyebrows. Cooney had no answer for Spinks skills, unpredictable angles, and quick sharp counters. Sound Familiar? Difference is Walcott could really wack, Spinks couldn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TftB8Mg2yQo
Watch this film as well. Look at Walcotts style. The way he slips and counters is so efficient, no wasted energy in his movements.