Corbett Should Be InThe Top 20 All Time Because He Beat?????

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  1. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Also, to be fair to Corbett boxrec as great as it is should only be taken with a grain of salt for pre 1920 fighters, since a lot of records for fighters of this period are way off on Boxrec. Jack Dempsey and Jack Jackson are perfect examples, since both in reality had over 100 fights, but boxrec has them both listed as having less than 80 fights.
     
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  2. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Was Corbett ahead of his time in terms of skill, mobility, Ring IQ? That was my perception.
     
  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Nah he was just a quick footed reflexive freak.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This is the impression that I have increasingly come to.

    There was More Roy Jones than Gene Tunney about him!
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    This is silly beyond words and we have been over it before, you are counting exhibitions as fights,Corbett told Loughran how many fights he had actually had and it tallies with Box Recs figures.To illustrate how fatuously dishonest you are, you try and count the Courtney exhibition which was performed in Lubin's studio in a 10 foot ring.Corbett only participated in the farce because Sullivan demanded too much money. Anyone with just a single brain cell can see Corbett is just going though the motions against a patsy for the camera!
    If those you count as fights were such why doesnt Box Rec recognize them as actual contests? Is your research superior to theirs?
    "Corbett's resume is loaded with Hall of Fame people",so is Jim Flynn's! lol
    Lets look a these HOF'ers.
    Sullivan was nearly 34 ,fat, and an alcoholic who hadn't fought for 4 years!
    Mitchell was washed up and he was never more than a super middle at any time.
    Kilrain was badly out of shape.
    Jeffries beat him twice.
    Sharkey drew with and beat him.
    Choynski was a novice.
    McCoy was never more than a small light heavy and there is a question mark over the validity of that fight.
    Fitz 167lbs, ko'd Corbett with a single punch to the stomach.
    Jackson had a sprained ankle and the fight developed into a sleep-athon with no worth while punches landed after the halfway mark.
    IBRO is full of people who are prepared to pay x amount of $ to say they are members no other qualifications are required,even a bigoted fool like you can be a member!
    Your remark below is one of the most ridiculously stupid I have yet seen in print.
    "While he was living, Corbett was universally thought of as top ten all time heavyweight."
    For your information Corbett died in Feb 1933 ,up to that time there had been only 12 champions and that is counting himself! lol
    Since Corbett's death we have had the following
    Sharkey
    Schmeling
    Carnera
    Braddock
    Louis
    Charles
    Walcott
    Marciano
    Patterson
    Johannson
    Liston
    Ali
    Frazier
    Foreman
    Spinks
    Holmes
    Holyfield
    Lewis
    Tyson
    Douglas
    Klitchko
    Fury
    Joshua

    Are you telling us Corbett should be ranked above any of the following?
    Dempsey
    Louis
    Lewis
    Tyson
    Marciano
    Frazier
    Holmes
    Foreman
    Holyfield
    Klitchko W
    Ali
    Schmeling
    Tunney
    Walcott
    Charles
    Bowe
    Joshua
    Jeffries
    Klitchko V
    Fury

    If so which ones?


    I'll ask you once again .

    WHAT IS CORBETT'S SIGNATURE WIN?
     
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Your question in the thread was:

    Corbett Should Be In The Top 20 All-Time because he beat?

    I explained to you in detail his resume is full of hall of fame opponents, many of which he defeated. I also showed you a 21st century recent poll of historians who placed him there. If you want to use polls from people up to the 1920's to 1960s, Corbett will rate over many you have listed.

    You were owned, as usual, now your "Trying " to move the goalposts, desperate to get some minor win. I suggest you re-read my initial reply and try to learn something. Any resume can be picked apart. Play on happy Jack.
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    What do you know about their abilities? Where did you see them fight?

    The OP said top 20 of All time, not 20 best ever. Yes, I think you can make a case for top 20 all time for Corbett.

    To humor you, I'll say his best win is a stoppage win over Choynski, who KO'd one Jack Johnson, or being the only man to defeat Sullivan. Some felt he was the better over Peter Jackson.
     
  8. janitor

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    Personally I see a better case for Fitzsimmons in the top 20!
     
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  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do we not agree, that there's a difference between the 20 greatest of all time... and the top 20 of all time?

    And do we not agree, that Corbett ranks MUCH higher legacy-wise, than for what he accomplished in the ring?

    And can we not agree, that when it comes to discussing Corbett… you're probably as far away from being a neutral, un-biased observer, as one can possibly be?


    When you say, that a case can be made for rating Corbett "top 20 all time"... what exactly do you mean? That no more than 19 heavyweights throughout history should be favored to beat him? And if that's not what you mean - then what?
     
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  10. janitor

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    Corbett claiming to be the father of modern boxing, is a bit like Roy Jones claiming that he advanced boxing technique!

    He had a style that he was very successful with, but it did not have a significant impact upon the sport!
     
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  11. mcvey

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    QUOTE="Jackomano, post: 19662572, member: 109032"]This. Also, to be fair to Corbett boxrec as great as it is should only be taken with a grain of salt for pre 1920 fighters, since a lot of records for fighters of this period are way off on Boxrec. Jack Dempsey and Jack Jackson are perfect examples, since both in reality had over 100 fights, but boxrec has them both listed as having less than 80 fights.[/QUOTE]
    "Jack Jackson"? Adam Pollack has exhaustively researched Jack Johnson and written a lauded two volume biography on him, since he has come up with no further fights for his record.I'll take his word over unsupported speculation. Dempsey began fighting in saloons in mining camps for," pass the hat change," these were not regulated boxing matches and as such do not count. I've 3 biographies on Dempsey none came up with additional fights,so again your post is just idle speculation that, without any primary sourced proof has to be disregarded.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Mendozy ,you made yourself look absolutely stupid with your,
    "while he was living he was thought of as a top ten heavyweight".comment
    As pointed out there had only been 11 other champions in his life time!lol
    I gave you a list of 20 champions who are demonstrably superior to Corbett,[I didnt even have to include other heavyweights who never held the title!]
    I could have included
    Witherspoon
    Tucker
    Thomas
    Wills
    Langford
    Jeannette
    Dokes
    Morrison
    Mercer
    Spinks M
    Cooney
    Quarry
    Ellis
    All of whom would have been warm favourites to beat old Jim,but they weren't needed were they!
    You remain the most ridiculous poster on this forum and, given that Rhas Al Guhl posts here,that is saying something!

    I asked you which of them Corbett was superior to? You didn't reply!
    I asked you what was Corbett's signature win? You didn't reply!
    You've been made to look the biased fatuous twerp you are yet again.
    Nobody agrees with you,and anyone with half a brain can see your motive for hyping up Corbett is to bolster your idol Jeffries resume!
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    That's not how he was seen in his day though, right? The writeups I see go out of their way to portray him as a brainy technician. I don't recall seeing any that referred to him as some kind of physical freak, off-hand.
     
  14. janitor

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    He was a clever fighter in that he was constantly feinting, and able to make himself very unpredictable, but he relied very heavily on his reflexes, and ability to judge distances.

    It is not a style that many fighters would have copied, or that they would have been likely to be successful with.

    I think that the next generation of fighters probably borrowed more from Jem Mace, and Bob Fitzsimmons, than they did from Corbett.
     
  15. ray fritz

    ray fritz Active Member Full Member

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    He went 62 round draw great Peter Jackson!! He gave Jim Jeffries two great goes although losing ,one 23 rounds. Nat Fleischer rates him #2 all-time heavyweight. Charley Rose rates him #9,even modernist Herbert Goldman rates him #23 all-time . Seems like he could be rated a lot worse. Mmm,funny.