Corbett vs. Courtney

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Perry, Jun 25, 2016.


  1. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anyone notice that they are wearing gloves very large for a 1894 bout. Those days gloves that size were considered sparring level. I have read this was light sparring to a real bout. The gloves being used for that time period indicate this was a sparring session.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It wasn't a real bout in the championship sense. Six one minute rounds. It was done only for the Edison's new camera. The end was never in doubt.
     
  3. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Courtney was a NewJersey truckdriver, even in them days he wasn't top hundred or anything other than a joke.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    You mean wagon driver :) He must have beaten someone to claim the NJ championship.
     
  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was just too show off the camera Edison did, It was not a "real" fight so to speak, the title was not on the line, also the ring had to be light just right to capture the image of movement in the black maria. So it would be kinda of odd to have a real fight in the conditions that the ring had.

    Corbett was at top, facing a really lower level guy for the cameras. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Why? Anyone can claim anything ,you repeatedly do!

    Show us the record of the man that Courtney claimed he beat for the NJ title then show us Courtney's record, neither exist.
    Courtney does not feature in Corbett's record, it was an a exhibition just like all those ones he gave nightly in vaudeville that you claim were real fights!

    Corbett only got the call because Sullivan wanted more money.
     
  7. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    It was a great production of a sloppy sports event.

    Instead of bringing a camera to a real fight, they had to bring a real fight to the camera. It's a tiny crowded ring, Courtney was no real challenger.

    In Edison's mind, he saw this as an opportunity to showcase the camera by filming Corbett slashing another one of his foes.

    Corbett looks cool as ice in that tiny ring versus some rough and tumble guy who has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Corbett toys with him.
     
  8. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    1 ) They were in the ring with gloves. Courtney was over matched but gave effort to win. They were paid to fight, six rounds. Was it in the contract of the exhibition for Courtney to just spar? No. Corbett had some fun, then KO'd his man in the 6th.

    2 ) If you think Courtney never fought, the onus is on you to prove it. :deal The surviving records of boxers in 1894 is very thin, but then again so are you, so who cares what you think. I highly doubt this was Courtney's debut match or only match.

    3 ) If he wanted to I'm sure Adam Pollack who wrote In The Ring With James J. Corbett, can tell you more about Courtney. No worries you been corrected here over 100 times.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The onus isn't on me to prove anything, I'm not stating he was the New Jersey champion you bloody moron!
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    I've never heard or read anywhere than this was any sort of real bout.
    It was a bit of prancing around for the camera.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    It was made in Edison's blacked out shed. Courtney was not a fighter .The original plan was for John L Sullivan to strut his stuff
    but he demanded too much money. This is ,as you say , just a bit of half hearted sparring.