Corbett vs Foreman. 1893, 45 rounds

The last 20 rds of the Jackson v Corbett bout was a snore bore with nothing happening,I've read the rd by rd report.
In his 40's Foreman went 12 rds with multiple opponents without making use of his stool.His problem was a lack of pacing not stamina. Foreman got heatstroke against Young,he was out of his head in the dressing room,similar to Robinson against Maxim.
Corbett was ko'd by one body shot from a 157lbs man.Foreman might actually kill him.

 

Excellent summary ,as usual!

 

Jeffries was down to weight 9months before the fight,he had over a year to get in shape.
Jeffries did not push Johnson back Johnson allowed Jeff momentary liberties to rest his strength,finding he himself was the stronger man he began manhandling him and putting him where he wanted.
Jeffries only had one good round the 4th.Fitzsimmons, who was ringside rooting for Jeffries, said Johnson could have finished matters in the first round if he had chosen to do so. Reports of the 1st Jeffries v Corbett fight do not mention Corbett holding his own in the clinches.
Corbetts tactics for the fight, and sensible ones they were too

Jeffries was down to weight when he came back from Carlsbad,9 months prior to the fight.

 

Corbett avoided clinches in his first fight withJeffries,his tactics ,and sensible ones they were too,were to stick and move ,utilising his superior footspeed.
Jeffries did not fight like Foreman,he was much more measured and phlegmatic in his approach ,in the early rounds against Corbett ,advised by Tommy Ryan he attempted to out box Corbett .
Just before, 19th rd Jeffries manager William Brady jumped onto the ring apron threw Ryan out of the corner and furiously told Jeffries he had to ko Corbett ,to win,to forget about boxing and to go in and slug.

Foreman would rag doll Corbett in the clinches as 183lbs Sharkey had done.

 

Jeffries was in his prime when he retired in Sept 1904.

 

Thanks Mr Mc. I hope you and yours having been keeping very well.

 

Jeffries was estimated to have lost 70lbs tops and he did it over more than a year,so stop with this sudden weight loss please.Jeffries stated that when he came back from Carlsbad he was down to235lbs.

 

I've seen all the available film of Jeffries vJohnson and read countless round by round reports of the fight.I see Jeffries being pro-active going forward and Johnson allowing him to exhaust himself early on ,this is confirmed in post fight statements made byJohnson.
No Jeffries went into light training 18 months before the fight he did so to see how his body reacted to the dscipline and only then did he give Sam Berger his representative the confirmation to begin discussing contracts

I have seen all the Johnson v Jeffries footage that is extant,I have also read multiple round by round summaries of the fight.
In the footage I see Johnson permitting Jeffries to be the pro-active agressor
allowing him to use up his strength. The usual modus operandi of Johnson.
Johnson, both before and after their fight ,said he always believed he could match Jeffries in strength,and as he correctly predicted he would be the one bossing the clinches.

Jeffries vaunted strength was on show against a class 208lbs man in which fights?
Jeffries made a career out of beating up smaller and usually older opponents. the only man of class he beat near his own size was 199lbs Ruhlin who had a panic attack after taking a couple of shots to the ribs.

I'm not saying Jeffries was prime when he fought Johnson but the implication that a prime Jeffries would be physically able to push Johnson around is not supported by their respective records.
Neither Rickard,Fitzsimmons, Corbett Sharkey,Choynski.Langford,Jeannette,Sullivan ,or London said Jeffries was washed up BEFORE the fight,they all predicted a Jeffries victory! Please post round by round reports of the 1st Jeffries v Corbett fight that indicate Corbett held his own in the clinches.They are not in any reports of the fight that I have read.

 

Rudy Marciano has expressed skepticism on this point, General Ripper.

Anyway, returning to serious mode for a moment: Does Johnson get a pass here, or is he also a sub-journeyman?

 

70 pounds over the course of a year is still a significant weight loss for a 36 year old to do, especially before a fight. This is weight that should be lost over the a slower pace, and losing it so quickly would almost certainly impact the strength of Jeffries. This isn't enough time to build back necessary muscle and endurance.

Out of curiosity, what are your sources for this information? For the 70 pounds, the time he took to lose weight, etc

 

I hate to be that guy, but here goes.

While people are justified in favoring Foreman, I feel that if Corbett somehow managed to stay out of his way for long enough, there does come a point eventually where he takes over.

 

Corbett definitely had the footwork and movement to trouble George

 

Marathon boxing at it's finest.

 

Can someone remind me who Corbett actually beat in his career? Aside from a worthless, shot alchy with a badly healed broken arm who had been given up for dead twice.