Corrie Sanders (2003) vs Luis Ortiz (2018)

The Sanders that stopped Wlad… I’d take him in three rounds.

 

I disagree - Jennings wasn't anything particularly special, and Wilder (in my opinion, and I'll grant you it's still a minority one) was only ever a fringe contender at best... And despite dominating the fight, Ortiz couldn't finish Wilder - okay, poor refereeing didn't help him, but I don't think coming fairly close to beating Wilder whilst having a gatekeeper like Jennings as easily his best win is enough to consider him a legit contender.

 

He has 1 top tier win unless I'm missing something. Still thats 1 more than Ortiz has so Corrie should be favored here, although he has a bad loss to Nate Tubbs so I wouldn't rule out a loss.

 

Sanders would shatter Ortiz' glass chin in under 5 rounds.

 

Given how the very ordinary Martin twice dropped Ortiz early, I'd favour the faster, more powerful Sanders to blast Ortiz out. But you never know with Sanders as the Rahman fight showed he had to KO you or get KO'ed if Sanders can't finish him then one good counter from Ortiz could turn the fight on it's a head. So while I favour Sanders, I wouldn't be shocked if Sanders again found a way to lose.

 

When I first saw Ortiz before he faced Jennings I thought he looked excellent. Was labeled 6'4" with an 84 inch reach aswell. I must say i was highly confident he would beat Jennings and he did. For my eye test he was top 10. Not as good as Povetkin but still better than some.

 

Possibly... As much as looking good on the eye in respectable, I just don't value it that much if it's against third rate fighters - it's harder to look good against serious guys.

Maybe Ortiz was fringe top 10 at absolute best... But in a **** weak era where there were very few real legit contenders.

I refuse to rate him highly with how little he achieved - both because I don't see the evidence to do so and because guys who don't make the good fights happen don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

 

Yes. Every ranking systems will have some issues. Ortiz should have fought alot of guys but I thought he was used by Al'Haymon to keep Wilder look good. He felt very interested in the Joshua fight but was not allowed to participate because of Haymon if im correct. He was also old coming in and had a short timeframe to show of his true potential. I will keep him top 10. Must say that Martin was also a bit underrated because of Joshua. I said it at the time that Joshua was a level above him but he was still better than some. He proved himself later on and also made Joshua looking better as a result.

 

With respect...

The Wlad fight was the performance of his career, whilst Wlad was having one of his disinterested nights (a weakness with him sometimes) - and despite that Wlad still cruised to a wide UD.

Joyce was/is a bit of a hypejob - he's decent, with a respectable resume for not having fought that much as a pro, but he's not remotely close to what he was hyped up to be.

Rivas is another that just hasn't really done much... Jennings is very easily his best win, and he lost a UD pretty wide to Whyte, despite getting a knockdown along the way.

Top 5 maybe, as far as I'm concerned we'll never know how good he could've been and he's difficult to place given how tragically thin Ortiz resume is

The third Fury fight showed Wilder had heart - but Fury was clearly not in top condition, was sloppy and there to be hit and Wilder still couldn't do a damn thing about him... Realistically, a legit contender shouldn't lose to someone who's that far off top condition even if they are undeniably top 3.

Joshua being more cautious and calculated doesn't necessarily make Wilder that great.

And to be clear, the only reason I'd consider Wilder a fringe contender at all is because he clearly DOES have the speed and power to upset the legit contenders - but I've never been fully convinced he's actually a legit contender and he doesn't have the resume to suggest otherwise.

 

Good fight.

I think the mid 2010's Ortiz was actually a very dangerous fighter whom I think would have beaten the likes of Whyte, Ruiz, Parker. It was a shame that version only fought Wilder.

Ortiz 8th round TKO for me. I think Sander's would have really struggled against a highly technical and powerful counter-puncher like Ortiz. Although, Ortiz in his day didn't have great names on his record, if you watched him - I genuinely think he was a very good fighter at the time.

 

everyone looks good when you only fight D & C tier opponents.

 

I thought he looked pretty good against Ruiz despite being mid 40s and washed up.