Corrie Sanders: best wins and career analysis

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    - KO’d Cooper inside 7.5 minutes, who had gone life and death with Moorer and Holyfield over 5 and 7 rounds in the previous 13 and 19 months respectively

    - KO’d Billups inside 1 round, who had gone the 10 round distance with Lewis 21 months prior

    - KO’d M. Williams inside 1 round, who was stopped 4 times in 28 fights but never so quickly

    - KO’d De Leon in 49 seconds, who was stopped 5 times in 62 fights but never so quickly, with Sanders having returned to the ring just 84 days after suffering his first professional defeat: a 2nd round KO against journeyman and professional sparring partner N. Tubbs

    - KO’d Czyz inside 5 minutes, who was stopped 5 times in 52 fights but never so quickly

    - KO’d Cole in 73 seconds, who was stopped 4 times in 54 fights but never so quickly

    - KO’d Sprott in 85 seconds, who was stopped 10 times in his first 57 fights but not so quickly

    - KO’d Wlad in 205 seconds, who was stopped 4 times in 69 fights but never so quickly, hence Wlad avoided a Sanders rematch, Sanders scored Ring's upset of the year and became WBO champion

    Sanders was generally avoided by heavyweight titlists and contenders: relatively unknown and not highly ranked but a hard hitting, quick handed, ferocious southpaw counter-puncher, billed as being 6’4, beat Nelson (UD10) and Puritty (UD12) by 10 point margins and had an amateur record of 180-11, beating Botha on all of the 3-4 occasions they fought as amateurs, with 2-3 KO’s.

    "Why would I fight a guy who's 6'4, left-handed and doesn't have a title for less money than I made to fight John Ruiz?" - 48-1 WBA heavyweight champion Roy Jones Jr.

    Cole said that Sanders was his best opponent, with the fastest hands and greatest punching power. Czyz and Nelson said that Sanders was their best opponent. Rahman, Sprott, Wlad and Vitali said that Sanders was the biggest puncher they’d fought.

    In his loss to Rahman, Sanders dominated the first 8.5 minutes of the fight, going 2-0 up and scoring a KD in the 3rd. In his loss to Vitali, Sanders dominated the 1st round, arguably scoring a KD.

    After 42 pro fights (20 of which were outside South Africa) to age 38, 62% of Sanders’ KO wins had been in the 1st round. Boxing News writer Graham Houston said he was told by Emanuel Steward that: "Corrie Sanders is probably the most dangerous one-round fighter in heavyweight history."

    Sanders was unquestionably the most dangerous southpaw heavyweight puncher in the first 128 years of world heavyweight boxing.
     
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  2. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: what a crock of sh!t. Sanders wasn't avoided by anyone. He was inconsistent and rarely highly ranked.
    And winning early rounds rarely means jack. Most boxers don't go all out the first few rounds. And most if his first round wins were hardly against top comp.

    The Dunning-Kueger is real with this nitwit....
     
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  3. Unique Way

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    Sanders was great fighter with exceptional power/hand speed and very underrated skills. The only things he missed was dedication and stamina (as a result of lack of dedication)
     
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    Also, Corrie had huge heart inside and outside of the ring
     
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  5. Redbeard7

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    "Dunning-Kueger"

    Says the absolute perfect example of it, who doesn't even know how to spell it!
     
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  6. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ooh.. you got me with spelling. Congrats on that! Guys like you rule the internets and are SOO admired by everyone.
     
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  7. Brighton bomber

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    He was dangerous no doubt, he was fast, had power and his sneaker left hand counter was serious weapon. But he was greatly flawed too as his loses to Tubbs and Rahman proved.

    The win over Wlad was his only stand out win, he never was able to back it up with another win on that level. Much like Douglas beating Tyson, Laing, beating Duran, Ruiz beating Joshua one win doesn't make you a great or even a good fighter, even Purrity and Brewster beat Wlad so it wasn't exactly something that hadn't already been done before and would be done again.
     
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    "But he was greatly flawed too as his loses to Tubbs and Rahman proved."

    Sure, those losses are mentioned in the post and losses almost necessarily expose flaws. Did you read it?

    "he never was able to back it up with another win on that level"

    That's dependent on getting those guys in the ring with you, which isn't always possible for one reason or another. Wlad for instance didn't want a rematch.

    "it wasn't exactly something that hadn't already been done before and would be done again."

    No one else beat Wlad in that fashion: 205 seconds while barely taking a shot. Puritty, Brewster and to a lesser extent Joshua had to absorb hellacious punishment to stop him.
     
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    Hard to get those opportunities when you lose to fighters like Tubbs and Rahman. He was talked about as a possible opponent for Lewis but then lost to Rahman. Had he been more consistent, not lost fights that he did, maybe he would of gotten those opportunities. Rahman got the Lewis fight less than a year after beating Sanders, could of easily been Sanders getting that shot had he been good enough to beat Rahman.

    Yeah Wlad didn't take the rematch but he did get another opportunity to fight a top heavyweight in Vitali and again lost. I'd rank him on a similar level to Rahman, a fringe contender who was vulnerable but also dangerous and capable of causing an upset but also capable of losing to solid fighters.

    How he beat Wlad was impressive, that's true. But Wlad was a greatly flawed fighter back then, he'd throw and then just stand there admiring his work and be wide open for counters, which is why Sanders completely destroyed him. The losses to Purrity and then Brewster showed he was a very beatable heavyweight until Steward ironed out all his flaws.
     
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  10. catchwtboxing

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    We all love Corrie for his package of skills, but he hated boxing, and it balanced out to where he was basically a high-end journeyman who caught lightning in a bottle. I think he wanted to be a golfer.

    RIP Corrie.
     
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  11. Redbeard7

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    "Hard to get those opportunities when you lose to fighters like Tubbs and Rahman."

    Botha lost his title due to failing a test following a controversial decision over Schulz which became a NC, got KO'd by Moorer, KO'd by Tyson, drew with Briggs and next thing you know he gets a title shot vs Lewis. When a dangerous fighter loses it just provides more reason for other fighters to avoid him, whereas less dangerous fighters may get a lot of opportunities despite not beating anyone of note or losing frequently.

    "Yeah Wlad didn't take the rematch but he did get another opportunity"

    Had Sanders got the Wlad rematch (which was out of his control), he may well not be a "one-hit wonder". Wlad wisely ducked it, which is a moral win for Sanders in itself.

    "But Wlad was a greatly flawed fighter back then"

    No one beat 20's Wlad in 205 seconds while barely taking a punch save Sanders. Puritty and Brewster both took brain damage inducing beatings round after round that few could until Wlad gassed. Sanders' performance was far more devastating and Wlad had dominated the likes of Vitali-conqueror Byrd and McCline at that point.
     
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  12. The Real Lance

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    Who actually ducked Sanders? Since this is what you claim, give us some names. We know Wlad didn't pursue a rematch, but after getting pummeled by Vitali, who actually ducked or said no to Sanders?
     
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  13. Pepsi Dioxide

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    Sanders just kind of floated around during the 90s, no one avoided him that I can remember. The Tubbs fight stopped some momentum, but he was basically beating journeymen until he got an opportunity vs Rahman, who he lost to. The Wlad win is by far his best

    Was he a dangerous guy who could KO someone early? Yes. But he never really elevated himself in the 90s, his name was always out there but he was basically "that guy Nate Tubbs KOd" until the Rahman fight.
     
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    Great fighter who loved golf more than boxing
     
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  15. Brighton bomber

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    Some here have suggested Lewis ducked him. In early 2000 Lewis named Sanders, Botha and Tua as possible next opponents after Grant. He instead fought Botha next who lets be honest wasn't as dangerous but was more proven and had fought at a higher level than Sanders so was more widely known to the public. Lewis then faced his mandatory Tua and then lost to Rahman who had beaten Sanders to earn that shot.

    Truth is he was never really ducked by anyone other than Wlad in a possible rematch. He simply was never thought highly enough to ever be a mandatory or even a voluntary for anyone. He never really elevated himself out of the pack of fringe contenders at the time by beating anyone decent until Wlad plucked him out of the pack and Wlad at the time himself despite holding the then lightly regarded WBO title was seen as nothing more than a contender himself, albeit a top ranked one.

    People try and revise history and turn him into some boogieman that was avoided but in reality he was an after thought at heavyweight, nobody really was demanding he face the likes of Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield etc.

    https://mg.co.za/article/2000-02-11-sanders-on-ice-for-lewis/
     
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