corrie sanders vs jack dempsey

If he fights as he did against Brennan or Firpo, he doesn't win in any fashion.

 

I fight as a southpaw so I understand the advantages we are supposed to have. Southpaws are not invicible, just look up Rahman-Sanders.

Yes I have seen Sanders. He was OK, pudgy, one arm down, no defense, slow footed, no head movement, easy to tag hard. Sure his hand speed was decent but, he wasn't Ali. He in short, he was a i-ight fighter that has no business being mentioned with Dempsey. BTW, have you watch Dempsey? Don't answer that.

Sanders was fat. 225. He should have been 210-215. Whatever Rahman was he should have been 15 pounds less than that. Same as Lewis. This ain't wrestling. that extra weight don't help your mobility and agility. It just makes you a standing target which is why these guys were one-shoted all the time.

Now to this legend stuff. All of a sudden it is cool to make a thread to bash fighters who earned there respect the old way. By banging heads, which Mr. Dempsey (This is what he should be referred as) was excellent at. Better at it that anyone that Corrie has ever fought. Dempsey with his bob and weave style will get inside Corrie which wasn't hard and stay there and rock his freakin world!

Now, how about the southpaw list? Give me 10 great heavyweight southpaws. BTW, if Southpaw's were so great how come Sanders did not dominate his era? All of a sudden he goes back in time to fight 15 rounds in his conditioning against one of the hardest hitting fastest punching murders in his prime.

Come on now.

 

[jlp] "I just took a quick look at Corrie"

Quick, being the operative word.

[jlp] "with no lateral movement"
[jlp] "Corrie was out of shape"
[jlp] "fat, and slow"
[jlp] "slow footed"

I'm afraid that your quick look must have consisted of the Klitschko fights and the Machimana fight. Perhaps you would like to take a look at, say, round 12 against Ross Puritty, where Sanders is dancing around quite happily from side to side unloading jabs and combinations with little sign of his allegedly awful conditioning. Or his bout against Cooper. Or Dixon. He was ***not*** "prime" against Klitschko. It's like looking at Tyson's last 6 fights and basing one's opinion of Tyson on that.

[jlp] "if Southpaw's were so great how come Sanders did not dominate his era?"

Because (a) his promoter sucked balls and couldn't get him the fights that mattered and (b) the 'name' fighters wanted no part of him. Holmes, Tyson, Lewis and Jones jr were all mentioned as possible opponents at one stage or another and nothing ever came of it. High risk and low reward is why. Notice the chances that Francois Botha, a fellow South African and a much less dangerous fighter, got. The only reason he ever got a shot at Klitschko is because at 37 his career was basically over and he was there to get blasted out.

Again, back to Dempsey.

Yes, stylistically I would favour Dempsey. But if some guy like Firpo could knock him head over heels, you'd better believe that Sanders had the ability to do the same and more. Geez, it's like all you have to do is mention some legend's name and the opposition drops stiff at the first jab. Real life ain't like that.

 

JLP....very impressive post.

For those uninformed Firpo in his day was never considered a great boxer. He was known as being a tremendous puncher, great heart/will to win, incredible courage, aggressiveness. He went into a fight with the most ferocious ko puncher in hwt history with a dislocated left elbow. Would Wlad or Sanders even think of fighting with that level of injury?

A few posters not many need a boxing history 101 lesson.

 

Here's the thing. If Dempsey tries to bomb out Sanders early, and Corrie survives (he survived Vitali, Wlad, Rahman bombs early), Dempsey is going to be in for a stern test. He had a tendency to get sloppy and off track at those times, leaving huge openings and just plain tiring. If Jack fights a more controlled, disciplined fight, he should do much better and take this.

 

Oh, this is one of those trick questions. We all say Dempsey because he is faster, stronger, more skillfully and proven, but you remind us that Sanders KO of the greatest HW of all time makes him better. Plus he plays golf.

 

Just face it, the greatest eras of boxing are gone forever. The fact that you are on this forum posting this crap is proof.

 

Take what? Dempsey is just a small cruiserweight with extremely rudimentary boxing skills. Why is Sanders simply "surviving"? He will be punching right back at Dempsey and Sanders had fast hands and good power. Coming forward with your hands low against Sanders is generally not a good idea. Dempsey was an extremely limited fighter who really only knew how to fight one way, see the Tunney fights. It's not going to work against a guy like Sanders.

 

I'll agree that Dempsey is faster but that's about it. Stronger? Based on what? I've seen Dempsey bullied around the ring by Tunney. Most likely Sanders is quite a bit stronger than Dempsey off size alone. More skillful? That's a joke. Dempsey had no jab, didn't cut off the ring, and had no plan b. More proven? Another joke. Dempsey's resume is garbage. He didn't fight or beat anyone that would be competitive in today's heavyweight scene. I would also note that most (nearly all) of Dempsey's opponents were well under 200 lbs and would be LHWs or small cruisers today. :deal

 

Many boxing trainers and writers of that time felt Dempsey was the best hwt that ever lived. Langford also felt that way. How many say that of Sanders? Name me one trainer or one hwt contender that states Sanders is the greatest hwt ever to live. Name one that just says he is a great fighter. You must be missing something.

 

Who cares what they felt? Boxing trainers and writers are wrong all the time. I think that they were influenced by the Dempsey propaganda machine as much as anything else. Most of these characters didn't even see Dempsey fight. Where would have seen it? They didn't have TV or video tapes or the internet back then. And there is no way that a sane person would think that the guy who fought Carpentier or Gibbons or Firpo or Tunney was anywhere near the best HW that ever lived.

 

Extreme level of stupidity is shown in this post.

 

Common knowledge to most of us... what's your point? Nobody was claiming Firpo was great, he wasn't, which makes Dempsey getting knocked out of the ring by him raise eyebrows. The fact that Firpo may have been injured in the fight... even worse for Dempsey's status. Not sure where you were going with this?

Dempsey is the much more iconic fighter. Actually, Sanders isn't iconic at all... except for in South Africa. Anyway, being more famous, or more iconic, or even the "greater" fighter doesn't mean anything in these H2H "Mythical Match-Ups".

Dempsey was a very small HW... but not in his era. He was under 190 Lbs, had a decent reach of 77", and was about a pvssy hair over 6' tall (most are shaved today so he was about 6' lol). He went 1-2-2 vs. a Willie Meehan who was basically an overweight MW. Meehan was 5'9", fat, and couldn't break wind with his best punch. Harry Greb beat Meehan both times they fought. Greb battered Meehan and won all 6 rounds in their first fight. In the rematch Greb beat the crap out of Meehan 9 out of 10 rounds.

Dempsey was stopped in 1 by Fireman Jim Flynn and he stopped Flynn in the 1st. Both fights may have been fixed.

LHW Tommy Gibbons gave him some trouble but lost the close 15 round decision. Gibbons was a very good fighter who went 95-5-5 (48KOs) and was only stopped once (LKOby12 Gene Tunney).

Gene Tunney beat Dempsey twice. Yes, he dropped Tunney but Tunney was ready to go in plenty of time regardless of how quick the ref would have picked up the count. Tunney won fair and square. People forget about Tunney dropping Dempsey.

Dempsey struggled with Sharkey and had to result to fouling in order to win (KO7).

Sanders is far from great, very few notable wins on his resume... however... that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. We are talking about both men at their very best, who wins?

Sanders was 6'4" with a true 77" reach... I'm not so sure that Dempsey's reach was that long. Sanders was in decent shape at 225 Lbs. He wasn't built like Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield or Wladimir Klitschko but this isn't a body building competition, this is boxing. Dempsey's build didn't look all that impressive to me either. Sure, in his era he may have looked impressive... but compared to somebody like Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, and some others... he looks pretty weak physically. Looks don't really matter though.

3-4" in height, similar reach.. but being taller helps (when you have to punch up it takes a little longer, plus it takes a little off of the punches), 35 Lbs. heavier. This isn't some slow, old, uncoordinated fighter like Jess Willard we are talking about. Sanders was quick, he used his southpaw stance to his advantage, he had a decent jab, he punched very hard, he was aggressive, and his stamina was good... despite what some of you are saying.

He was upset by Nate Tubbs, KO2. Tubbs was 12-1 (10) at the time, 6'4", over 230 Lbs, and a big puncher. **** happens, Sanders got caught.

He knocked out Bert Cooper, Carlos Deleon, Bobby Czyz, Al Cole, and W. Klitschko among others. He stopped Czyz in the 2nd and Cole in the 1st. Impressive because no one else was able to stop either one of those guys in that manner. He dropped Rahman before getting stopped in the 7th. He rocked V. Klitschko (not easy to do) before getting stopped in the 8th.

He'd have at least a punchers chance vs. Dempsey. Some of you guys need to get Dempsey's <ock and balls out of your mouth... or at least realize that he is dead and doesn't really have <ock and balls anymore.

 

Such a high level of historical ignorance. Your beliefs go against most every knowledgable opinion on the subject. Tunney stated...Dempsey was no slugger he was a fusion of great boxer and puncher. Arcel rated Dempsey with Ali and Louis. Stillman rated Dempsey as the best. Leonard, the great all time light weight felt Dempsey was the best as did Sam Langford. All these men saw Dempsey live from ringside. Tunney of course knew Dempsey like no other. I can go on but no fighter gets this level of praise from experts without being a very great fighter. Did they feel the same aBout Sharkey, Schmeling, Baer, Carnera, Braddock? the answer is no.

 

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