Corrie Sanders vs Jerry Quarry

Sanders speed and power make him a very live pick here I wouldn't back either in this one.

 

I disagree with this entirely. Quarry hit just as hard as Rahman and threw in combination way more fluidly. Jerry could be inconsistent, but, at his best he would find a way to out gut Sanders. Probably by KO. Jerry would beat the brakes off Hasim, as well. Hasim was slow as molasses, and Quarry would tee-off on him.

As far as Sanders' durability: he was KO'd in 2 rounds by Nate Tubbs, who went on to have ZERO quality wins the rest of his career. Nate Tubbs was even fatter than Tony Tubbs (not sure if they are related), and had nowhere near the skillset of Tony.

 

Corrie got picked off by a monster shot from Tubbs; it happens. His fault, he should have been concentrating. That fight excepted, Sanders has no other KO loss on his record, and I've seen him hit with some big shots by hard punchers, and keep fighting. Cooper, who is no featherfist, popped Sanders with a humdinger of an uppercut that seemed to have no effect.

On the other hand, iirc, didn't old man Chuvalo knock Quarry down, and out?

 

Sanders KO 1.

 

As usual with "ForemanJab": an idiotic post backed up with no supportive explanation.

Of course with Heavyweights, a first round KO could happen. But, Quarry was never stopped quickly like that, and he faced several opponents who were light years better than Sanders. In fact, he KO'd Ernie Shavers in 1 round, and Ernie would probably have knocked out Sanders.

The ONLY good fighter Sanders beat that was not completely washed up by the time he got to them was Wlad.

 

Shavers was a slow plodder with a glass chin and mediocre defence. The fast punching hard hitting Sanders would have KO'd Earnie.

 

You're talking about Jerry "at his best" and then go on a mini-essay about Nate Tubbs. Jerry also doesn't have a highlight reel knockout of Lewis and was fraction as strong as Rahman. Get out of here.

 

Sanders by KO.

 

[smokin bert] "The ONLY good fighter Sanders beat that was not completely washed up by the time he got to them was Wlad."

I'd argue that Sanders by that time was well past his prime, actually. Which hints to how good he actually could be.

On the other hand, Jerry Quarry was held to 3 draws by some guys called Tony Alongi and Tony Doyle, guys I doubt anybody has even heard of. And before somebody jumps in and says that these were fights of a young, inexperienced Quarry - let me point out that the last of these draws occurred in his 20th fight, and Sanders' loss to Tubbs happened in his 24th, being undefeated up till then.

[Juggernaut80] "Quarry wasn't nearly as hard of a puncher as Hasim Rahman. Hasim was a lot bigger and fought the better people."

Thank you. I'd also add that Sanders was woefully out of shape for that fight, and also that Rahman is underrated as a fighter. Hasim seems to be one of those "hot and cold" fighters who could give anybody the fight of their life should he be motivated to.

The problem with Corrie Sanders threads is this: there are a lot of people that hate the Klitschkos. Acknowledging that Sanders was actually pretty bloody good, means losing the "Wlad lost to a fat golfer" line of attack. And, I have to admit, it is an entertaining, if inaccurate, line of attack.

 

Sanders blitzes him out early, bumping him off the floor. If Quarry somehow survives the 1st 3-4 rds, he loses on TKO by cuts, but I don't think it would have gotten to it. Do you know who was not something special? Quarry was nothing special.

 

I think we need to consider Sanders' southpaw style as well.

 

Sanders has a unique set of skills, tall, fast, southpaw, big punch, downside, unpredictabe. Few heavyweights match up well against that set of skills.

Quarry was durable, sly, good counterpuncher, has a decent punch, took punishment well, extremely tough and wildly unpredictable. Also on the small side.

Intangible is Quarry's heart and toughness.

Sanders pounds Quarry with some big shots early, down at least once. Quarry adjusts, works the body with signature left hooks. Sanders, like Mac Foster, slowly fades and is eventually stopped by Quarry in great fight.

 

Sanders was a very poorly managed fighter, and he also didn't take his career very seriously most of the time... But to deny his talent is just plain stupid. He had lots of roadblocks, both in the pro, and amateur ranks.

He wasn't allowed to compete in the 88' Olympics due to the Olympic boycott against South Africa, despite this he had as solid amateur career beating Francois Both 3x.

In the pro's he wasn't managed very well, from day 1... After a while he just didn't take his career very seriously, and was only a part time fighter, he did it mostly as a hobby. Finally towards the end of his career he got good fights lined up, and the opportunities he needed. He gave Rahman a hell of a fight, and had his been in better shape I am almost 100% certain he would have won. That's a gem of a fight btw, probably one of the best HW fights of the early 2000s... Of course he went on to upset Wlad, and gave Vitali hell... To deny Corries talent is just stupid, he proved his worth in the latter part of his career... But there was definitely a lot of wasted potential. I think he could have been much more successful had he had better promotional backing, and if he came to fights in better shape.

 

[juggernaut] "Few heavyweights could match up with Sanders speed? Yeah besides guys like Rahman who knocked him out."

Sanders was doing much better than Rahman until his gas tank ran empty. Also, I believe that Rahman gave a really gritty performance and came back from some BIG shots for the win. Lest we forget, Rahman DOES have a win over Lewis, which has got to count for a lot.

[unleash the fury] "beating Francois Both 3x."

4x actually, iirc, with 2 knockouts.

[unleash the fury] "But there was definitely a lot of wasted potential. I think he could have been much more successful had he had better promotional backing, and if he came to fights in better shape. "

Absolutely this. He stuck with Berman who couldn't get him the right fights. I think that he sort of lost heart later on, and with his leg injuries building up, wasn't able to maintain the great conditioning he had as a younger fighter. I was SO disappointed to see him pitch up looking like a beached whale for the Vitali fight. I believe that if he'd improved his condition since the Wlad fight, and came in looking sharp against Vitali, that he'd have had a chance of scoring the upset. Imagine if he'd beaten both Klitschkos ... there wouldn't be much question of his excellence as a fighter, then.