Cortez tainted Floyd’s Victory

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  1. The Sarge

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    both that just illustrates the point. They were both doing it consistantly, but "Hatton was warned". All you ask in any sporting competetion is for the referee to be consistant and he just wasnt. I think PBF wins this fight any which way you choose it was just a shame that Cortez wasnt consistant between the two fighers, wasnt consistant with his own refereeing form all his other fights and didnt stick to what he told the boxers before the fight.
     
  2. Sinew

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    Please watch the fight yet again. Everytime Cortez stopped the action is because there was no action close to taking place. These two charged toghether pretty hard, and once collided they had their arms wrapped around each other.

    It doesnt even matter who caused the clinching , but what matters is that the clinching was happening. There was normal clinching that took place as well and during those times cortez only said " let him go"

    A ref may alos say " punch and get out"

    Or he may sneak up to them and slap the clincher's hand away.

    Now ealrier in the fight these two were charging into each other
    and wrapping their arms around each other and locking each other's arm.

    If Floyd Mayweather grabs Hattons arm and locks it under is armpit- how is Hatton supposed to effectively throw punches?

    If Hatton grabs Mayweather and Mayweather falls into a headlock how is Mayweather supposed to effectively throw punches?

    better yet, How does Hatton effectively throw punches if he has Mayweather in a headlock?

    Now Hatton may be able to throw punches at Mayweather while holding him in a headlock , but that isnt exaclty fair is it?
     
  3. Sinew

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    They were both being warned , if you didnt see that then idont know what to tell you. They were both being warned.
    Sometimes Cortez broke them up and faced Hatton to talk , and somethimes he faced Mayweatehr to talk to him about the fouling.

    No one lost a point for it, so it shouldnt get under anyone's skin here.
    Cortez even went to Mayweather's corner and yelled at them for fouling.

    IT was all very apparent. It only looks bad for Hatton IF you honestly believe Hatton NEEDED the fouling to win.
     
  4. The Sarge

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    No you are correct, it isnt fair at all, but thats not the argument , the argumenat is that Hatton was getting warnings for illegalities and rightly or wrongly had a point deducted. Mayweather was warned for these same things and also for consistantly using his elbows but still no sign of a deduction. Its THAT consistancy (or rather lack of it) that irked most people i think
     
  5. Sinew

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    No . Hatton is a champinship fighter. He has had over 40 professional fights.
    He lost a point for using his bodyweight to push Mayweather into the ropes and COCKING BACK THAT RIGHT HAND AND DELIBERATELY THROWING A PUNCH TO THE BACK OF A FGHTER'S HEAD.

    At this stage in his career he cannot , He CANNOT act like he didnt know what he was doing. It was a blatant attemp to FOUL in BOXING'S WORSE CASE SCENARIO. He took a shot at someones brain stem and spinal cord:deal
     
  6. The Sarge

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    Noone is saying that he shouldnt have got penalised. I am asking why Floyd didnt get penalised for his repetitive fouling also? I am talking CONSISTANCY
     
  7. Akxtinguish

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    The Tszyu victory IS tainted.
     
  8. ZippyMan

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    True, the Tszyu fight was very bad also.

    Many of the PBF fans are taking this wrong for some reason. Calm down and read the original post.

    I wrote Cortez was much like Hatton's personal ref. I also said that PBF did not need the help.

    Here are the facts:

    - Cortez was all over Hatton the first 2-3 rounds.
    - Millions of people who are not big fight fans watched this fight. Most sports fans KNOW that boxing is the dirtiest sport there is and are looking for misconduct.
    - I do a lot of travel and talk to a lot of people about sports on the west coast and south-west. Almost everybody I have talked to including a few who were at the fight were VERY DISAPOINTED with the ref for not letting them work out of the breaks.
    - Corruption or the perception of corruption is not good for the sport that we all love.

    This is not a Hatton love letter. What happened was not right and everybody could see it.
     
  9. Akxtinguish

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    WestCoast

    Don't mind me asking, but how many boxing matches have you actually seen (highlights don't count)?

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    Zippyman

    I understand what you're saying. However, some people either don't understand, or simply don't WANT to understand. I've understood the point you're trying to make here (ie, PBF would have won anyway and the refereeing only made it look like a "controversial" victory, which I don't think it was anyway.)

    I wouldn't agree with most the above.

    -Cortez wasn't all over Hatton, he was all over any kind of holding/hugging/grabbing/wrestling. Maybe you think he was all over Hatton because Hatton did more of these things.

    Boxing refereeing is not exactly black and white, there are certain grey areas where the referee will have to take his own decision. The educated critics would point out that Cortez was a little bit too conservative in the first few rounds and seemed to be rushing a bit to break the fight up. It wasn't about Hatton or Mayweather.

    -The millions who watched their first ever boxing match wouldn't be in a very good position to judge the refereeing. I blame the British media for making this appear to be a "controversial" fight (whereas it wasn't controversial at all). Right from the beginning, they blew the refereeing out of proportion and this was enough for first-timers to take the bait and insist that the refree was corrupt (the media just has to say that he was "a bit unfair" or "a bit harsh to Hatton" for the public to portray him as someone who took a bribe).

    -People were disappointed with the refereeing but not because he favoured one fighter over another. In football (soccer), for example, referees are often critisized for blowing the whistle for too many fouls and giving too many cards (a famous example is Portugal-Holland in the 2006 World Cup). This is because the fans can't watch an open free-flowing game, and this also goes for boxing. Also, sometimes the sportsmen themselves are responsible for playing dirty in the first place and not wanting to play (or fight) freely.
     
  10. JAM Killer

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    Great post.
     
  11. J.E.T.

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    Thank you..........


    JET
     
  12. JAM Killer

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    Hatton is pretty ****ing dirty. Hitting in the back of the head, holding Floyd's head repeatedly, holding, holding and hitting, hell he held on when Floyd wasn't even punching, just to show you that it is apart of his tactics. Floyd held him off with a wrist and everybody calls ****ing foul. Hell Hatton even called foul against Floyd, what a *****.

    Hatton got what he deserved, just like Huggy bear Ruiz got what he deserved against Tua. I don't like boxers who wrestle.
     
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  14. ZippyMan

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    I think we need these millions of first and part time fans to see a well run and fair match. Boxing has a lot to prove to move its way back into the mainstream and Cortez made our game look bad.

    This was Floyds chance to shine even more than he did. He would most likely of dismantled Hatton without the ref and everybody out there would be talking about how we have the best fighter to watch since Ali. What we now have is "Mayweather was really good but he got a lot of help from the ref. Boxing is corrupt. I will not purchase another PPV."

    Mayweather was ripped off more than Hatton was.
     
  15. platnumpapi

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    watch the fight closer, the only time cortez got in the way is when pbf or hatton were headlocking or armbaring.other then that the clinches lasted for 15 sometimes 20 secs, i counted.

    the only thing that was bs was cortex taking a point from hatton.but he warned pbf and hatton for hiting in the back of the head, hatton went for ir but missed and joe e took the point anyway, that was bs.

    but thats all i can comlain about it