cotto as brave as they come

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  1. bb18

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    would the forum agree that cotto must be one of the bravest fighters to be in a ring.badly beaten outboxed and out foxed and not having the power to worry one of the greatest fighters ever to enter a ring
     
  2. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He seems willing to fight anyone, and has stepped in the ring with some scary fighters. I do think they come braver. I'm not knocking Cotto or anything, not a bit, but it could be argued he was running scared from Manny for several rounds. It could also be argued that he gave up against Margarito.

    I know, I know, he was getting the **** kicked out of him both times, battered and bleeding and in one of the fights his opponent might have had unnaturally loaded gloves (the other - naturally loaded gloves) but those things could be said, and they're not entirely untrue. I think their certainly have been some fighters who, if in Cotto's situations, would have fought to the bitter end against Margarito and not taken that knee, or gone straight at Manny wanting to kill or be killed rather than just survive.

    Tons of respect for Cotto, he was determined to make it to the finish line against Manny, which was a tremendous display of heart. He's tough and brave, but they have come tougher and braver than he.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    I dont think he ever recovered from the shot he took in the fourth round. He was starting to take over the fight and Manny landed that incredible counter, and Cotto just never recovered from it. His punches became weaker, and yes, he was trying to survive and finish the fight which showed how incredibly tough he really is, but the fight was over in the fourth.
    I think Cotto made the same mistake both ODLH and Hatton made, thinking they could just overpower him, but really you need to be very careful with Manny because of his excellent ability to counterpunch at anytime. Mayweather presents a completely different style matchup but a good tactical one, so I hope he takes it. Cotto really needs to take a lot of time off, there isnt much more he can do at this point, except try and fight the winner of Pac Mayweather if it happens.
     
  4. McGrain

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    If he's as brave as they come, why did he run in the ring? That strategy was, by that time, admitting defeat. Why not look to land the perfect, fight-winning punch from the pocket against the smaller man?

    Hard to imagine Gatti running in a fight he was losing, isn't it?

    Cotto has heart, but I wouldn't label him as brave as they come, no.
     
  5. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Gatti was as stupid of a fighter as he was brave. Because he didnt try and stand in and get knocked out he wasnt brave? He was trying to land one shot, because his strength was sapped. Cotto's alot smarter than Gatti ever was, thats why hes a better fighter too. The definition of bravery isnt just standing in going toe to toe. He was brave to just try and finish the fight when he had little left and he was only looking for one shot in the second half of the fight.
    I also dont think Pac was the smaller man either. It was clear from round 2 on, that Cotto was matched in the strength department.
     
  6. Maxmomer

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    As I said elsewhere, I think Cotto wanted to finish the fight without fighting. I believe any attempts from the 9th round on to win were half-hearted and he just wanted to survive by any means possible.
     
  7. mcvey

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    I think his corner were the bravest ,and in my opinion ,could have pulled him out after the 10th.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Where have I written this?

    Cotto admitted defeat when he started to backpedal. There was no way that plan was going to work. A braver plan would have been to stay in the pocket and try and slug his way to the perfect punch, winning by knockout. It also happens to be the better plan.

    I know that. But going on the run in the ring when you are losing is not a fighter proving they are "as brave as they come".

    Ok, we'll just agree he was the shorter man who weighed less and leave it at that.
     
  9. McGrain

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    I kind of wanted them to, but it's Miguel's own shout.

    I also think the stoppage was premature.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    This is somewhat true, he was brave but he wasn't brave enough to keep looking for ways to win, then again he probably would have been ko'd if he did.

    Now if you want bravery I'll take Nigel Benn against McClellan any day of the week

    I thought Cotto did well in the first 2 rounds before being kd'ed, he was countering well early and punnishing Pac's defense errors, he didnt have the discipline or stamina to keep that up though
     
  11. PowerPuncher

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    Hmm 5'6 147lber against a 5'8 160lber not smaller? Whats it like in your universe? It certainly ahs different laws of physics
     
  12. lefthook31

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    Sometimes I wonder if you even watch boxing. Height and weight dont mean everything. Cotto is a strong fighter, Pac is equally as strong if not stronger, and he proved it by turning the tide on the fight very early.
    Using your stupid logic, Mike Tyson should have lost every fight he was in because he was shorter and out weighed by every opponent.
     
  13. lefthook31

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    You used the comparison of Arturro Gatti. When Gatti got hurt he dug two holes in the canvas and stood there and slugged it out. Gatti would have been knocked out so quickly against Pac with his style.
    Cotto was hurt badly, he was forced to try something different when he was hurt. I believe he was boxing and back pedaling trying to setup one shot, but he had little left. Like I said, he was hurt badly in the fourth and I dont think he ever recovered from that shot. I dont think he could have done anything differently other than get knocked out quicker. Standing toe to toe or staying stationary looking for one shot would have only brought the inevitable on quicker.
    Pac is the smaller man "physically", but he proved he has not only a welterweight chin, but a welterweight punch. As soon as Cotto landed a good lefthook and Manny didnt budge I knew the fight was over.
     
  14. lefthook31

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    He took a pretty bad sustained beating. Its hard to imagine him doing much more. Cotto wanted to finish the fight, but he had little left to offer. I think his face told the story, it was a bloody swollen mess.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Maybe. I personanlly think Cotto could have broken Pacquiao in the pocket. The backpedalling plan has certainly been proved faulty. Regardless, I don't think it Cotto exhibited great bravery in boxing and I think that this was the wrong plan and that was proven. Conversely, backpedalling against Sugar was the right plan, mainly because he was winning that fight. I don't say that packpedalling is cowardly, I do say that the bravest fighters would have sucked it up and fought back hard. PP gave the example of Benn versus G-Man, and it's a good one. Benn, like Cotto, would never have won that fight on the back foot.

    Pac being the smaller man "physically" was what i meant.