Cotto beats everyone on Floyd's Resume

The concept of a spherical earth has been around since 6th century Greece. If you went to College you'd know that.

 

No, I just know you're not sure of yourself, so you went from fantasizing about Cotto being able to beat everyone on Floyd's resume to slowly trying to make a compromise by saying you think Cotto would be the favorite against the Oscar Floyd fought.

You also admitted you're not sure of yourself, and now you're catching feelings over what you said. Maybe you should keep your secrets to yourself. They're not secrets for no reason.:rofl:roflatsch

You sure talk a lot about some irrelevant bull****. Did you go to grad school for philosophy?

 

Cotto nor Arum.....NOT ONCE sought a fight with Floyd....you know how Arum and Margarito actualy sought a fight with Floyd.

Arum wanted no parts of Floyd with his current cash cow and Cotto sticks to the i'll fffffight who my promoter gets me bullshyt.

 

Cotto is not that skilled. Cotto has a very pedestrian defense. If cotto were as skilled as you say he wouldnt have lost to Margarito. No skilled fighter loses to Margarito. Paul Williams beat Margarito. Daniel Santos beat Margarito.

Nonsense. Clottey beat him but he was robbed.

i can name 20 fighters off the top of my head who would beat Cotto based on skill alone.

Who has Cotto fought at welterweight with the skill of a P4P fighter other then Pacquiao?

Pacquiao didnt beat Cotto by relentless pressure. Pacquiao beat Cotto because he was more skilled. He outjabbed Cotto. He out countered Cotto.

 

don't worry I already posted that. Then he went on to say that Mayorga isn't an elite fighter

 

Cotto woulda gotten his ass handed to him vs the DLH that Floyd fought. DLH would've have mauled him....if slow ass Margo beat him down imagine what guy like DLH with better movement, more power, more speed, just as much will to win and just as good of or a better chin would have done to him? DLH has everything Margo has plus better speed/technique/power, he'd kill Cotto.

Cotto was too big to fight Castillo but if they were the same size Castillo would break down the mentally weak Cotto and stop him late. Corrales at 130-135 would have too much heart for fragile Cotto as well if Cotto was able to make 135.

 

haven't you seen how cotto outclassed margarit for the first 6 rounds? have you seen how he boxed with mosley and fought him off the backfoot the last two rounds? if that's not skill then i don't know what it is. margarito just bring it on with his relentlessness to overcome cotto. he did get tremendous amount of damage in that fight also. he even engaged pacquiao on even terms for the first two rouunds until pac caught him with a well timed shot.

you are watching the wrong if you think clottey had beaten cotto. you can name 20 but can you name 20 fighters within his weight class (140-154) around that time? 154 division was **** then as it is **** now. we all know that welter was the hottest division in boxing then and cotto was top when floyd choses to retire instead of fighting him.

and if you are arguing that a skilled fighter would beat cotto, the oscar that floyd fought hardly showed any skills.

pacquiao didn't outjabbed cotto, he was about even but things changed when he lured cotto and fight his game and was outclassed. nothing wrong that because pac is on another level.

the thing is these guys can beat cotto but not the part-time boxer that fought floyd that only offers size.

 

the oscar that floyd fought barely has no better movement, power nor speed than margarito at the time. at least margarito was relentless and could have been on loaded gloves that time.

and i love how you describe cotto as mentally weak and fragile when only margarito and pacquiao had stopped him. cotto didn't even stopped fighting against margo until he was badly beaten out while he didn't quit against pacquiao.

 

Cotto is a great fighter but not as dope as people are making him out to be. Remember this was the "established" welterweight that didn't even come into a fight with emmanuel, who only had one win at 147 at the time that many people thought was a fluke, as a favorite.

 

The first time I watched the fight it seems like Cotto was schooling Margarito. Then i watched it again. And you see cotto shoe shinning alot on Margarito's face, but you can see Margarito's work to the body and the damage Margarito is already doing. The first 6 rounds were relatively close. As to why in the 10th Margarito was actually ahead on the judges scorecards.

A truly skilled fighter would shut out Margarito. Hell Paul Williams won 8-9 rounds.

Mosley has never been that hard to outbox nor has he been a guy with anything resembling a plan B. When Cotto started running he got confused. I wouldnt call that skill on Cotto's part.

Look at the damage on Cotto's face after round 2. You think that was from one well timed shot.

You have to stretch reason to give Cotto 6 rounds in that fight. At best he won 5. Post your scorecard if you believe otherwise

The 147lb division after Mosley, Oscar and Tito got old was weak. Only reason B level fighters like Margarito and Cotto attained the status they did. Please, list one P4P ranked boxer that either has beaten during their careers.

Floyd hasnt fought one Top Rank opponent in his career. The Oscar that Floyd fought stops Cotto. And the Mosley with Nazim Richardson as he trainer beats Cotto. Floyd wasnt ducking anyone

Again whens the last time Floyd fought a top rank fighter?

Then you dont understand boxing. Oscar was picking off Floyd shots with his gloves brilliantly. He cut off the ring well, better then any fighter I've seen since Castillo do against Floyd, and showcased his jab which has been one of the best in the world since he entered the business.

The Oscar that fought Floyd has a better jab then Cotto. A better lefthook then Cotto. Better defense then Cotto. More power, and just as fast.

 

Miguel Cotto is a top rank hype Job. Nearly got KO'd by Torres and Corley. Couldnt stop Malignaggi who Hatton disposed of easily. Even got outboxed for sections in the fight. Ran from Ndou.

Then goes to Welterweight and doesnt beat one reigning champion there. Doesnt win his first REAL championship till he beats a 1 legged Yuri foreman, the weakest fighter at 154. Then struggles with a shot Mayorga.


Who really has Cotto beaten to justify the hype? A narrow points decision over Mosley. Gift versus Clottey. Destroyed by Margarito.

 

Cotto in a nutshell.....
One handed fighter
Frontrunner(literally)
**** poor defense
Probably all time vacant title belt winner ( atleast top 5)
Green
Heart pumps kool aid
Lazy

People will mostly argue why I feel he has no heart but please allow me to explain what I call heart. Heart isn't shown in a ring by taking ass beatings and fighting whoever is put in front of you which Cotto has obviously done. My definition of heart is what you do to prepare before entering the ring. Preparation is the true measure of someones heart. Things a fighter does when people aren't watching . This is why Cotto is a nice good fighter and why he's not a gtreat fighter . He does want he wants in training and anyone in P.R. can tell how Cotto parties harder than he trains. He balloons up in between fights like Ricky Hatton which means he doesn't take care of himself . As a fighter he lacks much needed discipline . He's also the creator of Paulie Maliggnagi. Theres plenty of fights Ive seen Cotto sit on the ropes during a round. He's Top Rank's failed hype job prototype before Arum discovered Pacquiao. Arum did the same bull**** having Cotto fight Floyds leftovers and saying how Floyd was scared to face Cotto even though Arum wouldn't dare put Cotto in with Floyd .

This thread was clearly started by a stupid ******* feeling threatened by the fact Manny is a cherry picker. Cotto like I said is a nice little fighter but he will never be and never was great.

 

If Cotto would have beat Margo then we would have saw Cotto vs DLH instead of DLH vs Pac.

In Cotto's career only once has he ever challenged a true belt holder for his belt and that was vs Foreman @154.

 

Excellent posts GOW and Concrete.

True in every aspect. Top Rank hype.

 

first 6 rounds, cotto was actually snapping margarito's head back. many people actually felt cotto fell in love with head-hunting and forgot to work on margo's body. it was only margo's relentlessness (and a possible loaded gloves) that has won him the fight, any other guy would have gave up against cotto that night. the oscar that floyd fought could not bring that kind of pressure on cotto in the later rounds.

paul williams is hardly a skilled fighter compared to cotto and he won around 7 rounds. if not for margarito starting slow on that fight, williams could have lost it.

that fight showed cotto's versatility. people love to think of him as fighter who can fight only one way. but while ahead on th scorecards, he boxed mosley off the backfoot and was quite successful.

i was speaking in terms of round 1 and part of round2 when he was actually on even terms with pac when they are jabbing each other.

i have no scorecard but the knockdown and clottey's slowdown or at least non-body of work during the last couple of rounds lost it for him. cotto did well for a guy that has a bad cut early on.

2008 welter landscape was cotto, mosley, mayweather, williams, margarito, quintana, collazo, cintron, etc... those 5 names alone would make it a very hot divison and notice who fought each other and who doesn't?

this is an excuse for floyd for not fighting the best welters during that time. and you think tht this would be his excuse for not fighting pac now?

yeah he cuts very well cause floyd is just backing straight. oscar just jabs forward using his size, length and not anything else. when he does the same trick to pacquiao, he was eating shots left and right from all angles. floyd did the same but in a conservative manner and not until oscar gassed out. the oscar that floyd fought has barely a better jab than that cotto. oscar has no snap with his anymore while cotto was the best at the game that time. and you have to be kidding if that oscar was just as fast as cotto. defensive wise cotto is not great but oscar is not a hard target during that time. yes he is bigger i can agree to that and that's where his advantage ends.