Cotto, best I've ever seen. Does not do conventional weightlifting.

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Piece, Jun 8, 2014.


  1. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's right, SportsScienceLab, which is run by Cotto's strength and conditioning coach, Gavin MacMillan, does not use conventional weightlifting to train their athletes.

    By "conventional," I'm referring to the three big lifts that are typically associated with maximal strength, IE deadlift, bench press, and barbell back squat.

    Taken from the site which I cannot post due to forum rules:

    "What differentiates the SSL program is that we prepare our athletes to be able to handle whatever adversity their respective sport may throw at them. We are truly trying to build the Perfect Athlete by improving all of the qualities that an elite athlete needs to be successful and not just his/her ability to move heavy weight in a linear fashion at a slow rate of speed.

    Athletes need coordination, rhythm, timing, balance, proprioception, joint mobility, muscle flexibility, muscle balance, all types of strength, awareness of space, reactive ability, foot strength, biomechanical efficiency, mental abilities, confidence, and of course sport specific skill. Conventional training methods that are solely focused on the maximum weight lifted do not adequately address the needs of ANY elite athlete."

    Instead of conventional weightlifting methods, he uses a variety of machines; however, I am convinced bodyweight calisthenics could do almost anything his machines can do.

    For instance, the pistol squat requires an enormous amount of stability to execute with proper form.

    Additionally, free standing handstand pushups require a great deal of stability for your upper body.

    As far as training the sides of your body, I think some of the exercises shown in his video's can be performed better with calisthenics such as instead of using the ball to work your obliques, substituting it for human flags.

    I also believe kettlebell swings bridge the gap and add that ground up exercise without needing a bone crushing amount of weight.

    I haven't had too much experience doing kettlebell snatches, but they might also be of considerable value.

    I like the swing because according to kettlebell expert, Max Shank.

    "It trains hip extension, which is the foundation of all athletic movements.

    It stretches the hip flexors and strengthens the glutes. This is especially important when you consider that the entire population is, by evolutionary standards, sedentary. We sit too much. Swings help fix the problems caused by too much sitting down. In fact, a swing could be looked at as the OPPOSITE of sitting down.
    It strengthens the lower back as a stabilizer rather than a dynamic flexor/extender (which could cause deterioration of the discs)
    It teaches the abs to brace against dynamic force making them stronger without creating bad movement patterns (as many conventional ab exercises do)"

    Maybe someone who has experience with snatches, can provide some insight.

    My point is, more and more trainers are getting away from conventional weight lifting and I believe a program that consists of calisthenics, kettlebells, pylometrics, and yoga is the best strength and conditioning program for a boxer.

    You can't say Cotto didn't look strong and powerful, despite not doing any heavy weight lifting.
     
  2. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be honest nobody cares about your opinions on weight lifting which you've stated repeatedly for years. Just sayin'
     
  3. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    You do realize he has done classic weightlifting before with Phil Landman and Pedro Diaz. So the benefits are still there.
    And different fighters need different training regimes,a guy like Cotto is strong as hell already and may require a different approach.
    Did you know that Gavin MacMillan worked with Georges St. Pierre and he worked weightlifting with him?
    Nothing is wrong with kettlebells or bodyweight training but stop claiming that weightlifting will make you a paraplegic.
    Grow up.
     
  4. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Opposed to your opinions?

    The problem with you and small pecho, is that you both have a linear way of thinking.

    You fail to adapt.

    You don't realize that as athletes age, their bodies don't respond to stress the same way as it did when they were young.

    Strength is a neurological response.

    Think of when lightening hits you. Your body can tense hard enough to snap your bones.

    What does lightening weigh?

    My point being, your body is capable of tremendous tension, but you have to know how to acquire the capability to utilize it.

    Additionally, things like kettlebell swings and plyometrics use weight in motion.

    You just can't get over your one track mind.

    Change it up, Virus.
     
  5. ant-man

    ant-man ant Full Member

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    There's lots of ways to skin a rabbit. :good
     
  6. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So many strawman arguments it's painful. You've just pulled that entire post out of your ass.

    It's cute that you've been on wiki and learned some buzz words. Good job.
     
  7. JayTesla

    JayTesla Member Full Member

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    Cottos the best youve ever seen?

    watch more boxing
     
  8. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Which fights in particular?

    Cotto's right hand was practically non-existant until the second Margarito fight, and IMO, he still was almost stopped.

    This is the most fluid I've ever seen Cotto. While his hook was great, as always, he looked practically like a natural right handed fighter, given his versatility.

    His defense was impeccable, and his balance was great.

    You tell me what fight I should look for in particular?

    Maybe YOU should watch more boxing or shut the f uck up.

    Pick one.
     
  9. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What buzz words?

    I don't go on wiki.

    Only imbeciles uses wiki. I read, virus. I just don't read the same things you read. I've read those books before.

    They talk about the same thing they've been talking about for decades.

    Most of them are based around NFL athletes.

    Boxing is not the NFL.

    You need to digest that. Apparently, more and more to strength and conditioning coaches do not believe with your protocol.

    Maybe it's YOU that should open your mind and adapt.
     
  10. JayTesla

    JayTesla Member Full Member

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    he fought a semi retired bike rider with no knees :deal
     
  11. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If somebody is focusing on single rep maximum weight load lifts they should not be allowed anywhere near a boxer. It's okay for a fighter to lift weights but a boxer's sport requires his muscle tissue and cardio to be a certain way and that way is not like a power lifter. A boxer needs a high work capacity, not a single burst of explosive strength.
     
  12. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:

    :roll:

    Bit of an overreaction don't you think? Almost defensive for some reason...

    I know you don't read the same things i read, that's clear, hence the reason you think a boxer would be training for the big 3 lifts :patsch

    Now what? Who are "they"?

    No wonder you have no clue how to utilize weight training in a boxer's training if you've been reading about weight lifting for NFL athletes :patsch

    Smart boy.

    Really? And what is my protocol?

    I'm happy to adapt, it is you that is unprepared to do so.
     
  13. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not true.

    -Joe Defranco

    http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask_joe/archives/ask_joe_07-05-18.htm
     
  14. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If I want to find out some quick information about a city or a particular location, I will use wiki; however, I don't always trust the information and if I have time, I will seek out a more definitive source.

    For strength training, I don't even know what I would search for on wiki.

    Maybe it's you that uses wiki. If your education establishment allows you to use wiki for sources, then it makes sense why you're an expert in it.

    Your problem is you're dense. Man was not designed to lift bone crushing weight.

    Think about how people shrink as they get older.

    The shrink because of gravity; however, if people would spend their lives doing bridging and yoga, as well as strengthening their core through a variety of other callisthenic based exercises, this would not be the case.

    Adding a bone crushing amount of weight to your spine only exacerbates this situation.

    And if you decrease the amount of space between your joints what happens?

    Arthritis..etc.

    Think about it. Use common sense, Virus.
     
  15. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh. So you do use Wiki. In your own words you're an imbecile.

    I use Wiki rarely for certain things, not really learning, though. Why you keep claiming I think I'm an expert in anything I don't know.

    Man wasn't designed, we evolved. We evolved to kill large, heavy prey then carry or drag it back to a dwelling to consume it. So yes, we have in fact evolved to lift heavy, awkward objects.

    Really?

    I think just using your common sense is your problem.