Cotto, best I've ever seen. Does not do conventional weightlifting.

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  1. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    ye grow your nails reallly really long for about 5months, and sharpen em like talons, and then do a rake with your new feet talons and rip off the skin in one. ez breezy
     
  2. Brixton Bomber

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    Doesn't help that Sergio was coming off of THREE operations and a 14 month lay-off. :good
     
  4. closedguard

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    Piece for the love of God ignore virus! I have been ignoring him as of late. Now as heavy lifting goes one might wonder what is the difference between a kettle bell and barbell providing that there both heavy. What I do agree with you on is that isolated barbell lifts are fraught with unnecessary risk, still there is something about a strong brawler.
     
  5. scrap

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    :d.
     
  6. RichC

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    Can you not see any benefit to adding a few sets of heavy squats / deadlift then?
     
  7. Piece

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    You're projecting your own self image upon me.

    If you really think I'm skinny, come find out. But I'm gonna tell you something.

    If you make me get up in some effort in by findin you, not only am I gonna whup your ass, I'm gonna take your manhood.

    EDIT: mother ****er, you're in England. You ain't gonna do shlt.
     
  8. Piece

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    Of course, but I'm thinking from a longevity perspective.

    Personally, if you can get the same benefits by performing kettlebell swings with a fraction of the weight, why take the risk of deadlifting?

    I mean, think about it like this, as we get older, people tend to shrink, right?

    But why?

    Because of gravity. Well, deadlifting compresses your spine even more, which contributes to decreased disk space, which eventually leads to arthritis.

    Hopkins should be a template. Plenty of power, agility, and flexibility, but does not lift heavy weights.

    Granted, you could always find outliers for anything, but from a common sense perspective, it just seems detrimental.
     
  9. Brixton Bomber

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    Mate, getting out of bed in the morning is a risk.

    DL's, performed PROPERLY, are awesome. When form breaks down, stop.
     
  10. Piece

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    I understand and I grew up on those heavy lifts. Practiced them for nearly a decade.

    I just feel if you can mitigate or eliminate risk, why not do it?

    Granted, kettlebell swings require a great deal of emphasis on form and can be a dangerous excercise, but it's only a fraction of the weight that you use for deadlifting.

    And the force on your spine is different than a deadlift. From what I understand, it's more of a shearing force as opposed to a compression force.

    Considering we are compressed all the time throughout the day, by gravity, it doesn't seem nearly as bad in comparison. Some people in the medical profession even say kettlebell swings can cure bad backs.

    At the end of the day, I'm looking for excercises that can get you extremely strong, but also keep you mobile, agile, and pain free for life.

    Longevity is the key.

    At the minimum, you have to stretch. People who are against stretching blow my mind. I used that ridiculous philosophy for a long time, but that's when I accumumlated the most injuries.

    When you're young, you can get away with not stretching, but as you get older, it's an absolute necessity.
     
  11. Piece

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    Serious Harm, what are you doin man? Why are you pmin me?

    What is wrong with you?

    Why you gotta act so tough on the internet? Why you sayin all those crazy nazi things?

    I don't talk in PM.

    If you have something to say, put it all on the table.

    Meanwhile, stop pmin me. I don't have anything to say to you.
     
  12. closedguard

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    piece there are people on this forum whom have unresolved issues i.e beliefs that they are holding on too that guarantee their survival stemming from a prior trauma that they are still holding onto maybe a previous loss.

    habits are they way that they've become accustomed to communicating in this way.
    negative interpretations is what they see is coloured by their self-esteem, previous experiences, education, and perspective.

    lastly I've had clients that refuse to agree with the obvious, its become customary for them to attack me with ludicrous insults that my ideas aren't original hence it's bunk. if I could copyright a couple of sayings they'd be the following never try to push a worm up a straw, and never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
     
  13. viru§™

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    The fact you barely made it into the 1000lbs club in that decade whilst doing powerlifting training (in your own words) shows how little you know.

    You can throw your back out bending over to pick up a piece of paper off the floor.

    The problem with what you're saying is athletes are prepared to take the risks involved with lifting weights. They're prepared to go through some pain in older age and be an inch or 2 shorter to be the best. You on the other hand are a little ***** who's scared of lifting heavy because you got nowhere when you tried.
     
  14. viru§™

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    You do realize this guy you're attempting to stick up for disagrees with using weights while training, something you've advocated? :patsch
     
  15. Piece

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    Those are my own words?

    No, I said I made it over 1000 and less than 1500.

    You made it to 1500?

    I doubt it. If you did, post a video.

    You always talk this talk, but post a video of you liftin over 1500.

    I don't believe it.

    My weightlifting was in the same sphere as guys that played college football. I know because I worked out with them.

    And I wasn't even a weightlifter...in the sense that my goal was merely to increase my weight.

    That's you, Virus.

    And that's your problem. You're so worried about weight, that you forget about athletics.

    And you wanna call me a "lil" bltch?

    You see, that's you. People like me, we gain knowledge and move away from people like you who attempt to destroy people like me. You said it yourself.

    You would destroy your body just to compete with people like me.

    That's sad.

    You don't need that. You can improve your longevity and your body at the same time. You just can't open your eyes and see the truth. Cotto is proof.

    Cotto is a guy that doesn't lift maximal weight, which is what your programs insist upon, yet he is looking the best of his career.

    You're a sad, pathetic man, virus. Why don't you just learn to open your mind.

    YOu're weak.

    That's why. Weak and pathetic.