Cotto, best I've ever seen. Does not do conventional weightlifting.

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Piece, Jun 8, 2014.


  1. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol.

    Paid millions and still be wrong according to a BD poster on ESB.

    That's funny, man.

    YOu right, though, huh?

    You right?

    You admitted that bone crushing weight would cause you to lose 2 inches of height.

    You're pathetic.
     
  2. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't say anyone in particular was wrong. Do you think that because somebody is paid to write articles, everything they say is 100% correct?

    People can be wrong whatever they're paid was my point, not surprised you didn't understand, though.

    Right about what?

    About what?

    Actually I gave a hypothetical on what athletes are prepared to subject themselves to. Again, not surprised you didn't understand this either.

    :lol:
     
  3. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Show me some scientific data where it says that weightlifting gives people all that bull**** you said roach.
    You are absolutely clueless when it comes to strength training or otherwise you wouldnt talk all of that nonsense.
    Grow up ffs. You with your antiweightlifting propaganda.
     
  4. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    Actually it's virus that is anti weight lifting about a week ago he told people not to use weights. I myself haven't even lifted 25% of that weight "to nerdy" however in my defense exercise is a stimulus message. Remember a strong fighter will throw the weakest around. I haven't changed my stance on heavy weights, however safety and non injury is my optimal gains.

    As far as kettle bells vs barbell exercise are concerned both have to be lifted, so creativity is important whether it be hammer swings or pulling a car with a cable with help from another training partner. Man didn't beat dinosaurs without being strong but at the same time maybe not everyone is genetically cut for this training I.E people of an agronomy economy I never seen a Asian or Hispanic win a Mr. Olympia yes there are Spanish speaking bodybuilding champions but their genealogy is mixed with west African lineage.I say with great concern since I don't want to appear disparaging.
     
  5. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :huh

    There is definitely something wrong with you. Were you dropped on your head several times as a baby?
     
  6. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have more confidence in weight lifting like "Spartacus 2.0" or "Grappler's Circuit" for boxing than the kind of weight lifting I did as a football defensive end. 2.0 and G.C. simply make me feel like I boxed a round while the 2 exercises every other day 5X5 exercises wouldn't make me feel confident for boxing.

    linemen did something like this, if I remember correctly;

    5X5 power cleans
    5X5 high pulls

    rest a day

    5X5 bench press
    5X5 bent rows

    rest a day

    5X5 bent leg deadlifts
    5X5 squats

    Grappler's Circuit ( don't put down the bar or rest between exercises do the entire circuit then rest between circuits about 8 reps/ exercise )

    Romanian deadlift
    bent over row
    upright row
    military press
    good mourning
    left leg forward squat
    right leg forward squat
    squat or push press if you're more advanced
    bent leg deadlift.
     
  7. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    wait it's virus I'll choose to ignore his posts.
     
  8. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    thanks for sharing truly something that makes sense. Does one do
    the entire grapplers circuit with 8 reps apiece?
    this reseach is invaluable since it appears that american football players follow HIIT? a warm thanks from the bottom of my heart.
     
  9. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You don't have to respond, the answer is obvious. Feel free to quote where I said not to use weights, that or you just proved yourself a liar ;)
     
  10. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    Blacks do have an advantage in boxing The physiological facts, known to all specialists in the area are: Compared to whites, blacks have narrower hips, which gives them a more efficient stride. They have longer legs, which makes for a longer stride. They have a shorter sitting height, which provides a higher center of gravity and a better balance. They have wider shoulders, less body fat, and more muscle. Their muscles include more fast twitch muscles, which produce power.

    Blacks have from 3 to 19% more of the *** hormone testosterone than Whites or East Asians. These testosterone differences translate into more explosive energy, which gives Blacks the edge in sports like boxing, basketball, football, and sprinting. However some of these race differences, like heavier bone mass and smaller chest cavity. Race does matter!
     
  11. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another copy paste job with a few alterations...

    Also, how random do you want to be? Who said anything about race?
     
  12. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Virus and dealt with are the same person.

    I think Virus is lefty.
     
  13. closedguard

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    I'm having a conversation with piece even though we respectfully have are differences on heavy weights I'm probing the possibility of northern European prevalence in powerlifting is cultural hence strength athletes may have a better selection of females based on strength where the emphasis on strength training is of non importance in other countries.
    Thereby powerlifts may not have the detrimental repercussions. this not applicable to geographic location after all many powerlifters come from the middle east turkey,Iran. The question is if genetic selection is involved and to what extent?

    The book "the sports gene"- " Beginning in 1998, a team of researchers from the university of Copenhagen's world's renowned Copenhagen Muscle Research Centre set out to put data behind the many anecdotes and arguments about Kalenjin distance running dominance. Among theories they sought to investigate; that members of the Kalenjin tribe might have a particularly high proportion of slow-twitch muscle fibers in their legs; that Kalenjin people are born with higher aerobic capacity (VO2 max); and that Kalenjin might respond more quickly to endurance training than other ethnic groups".

    What if Miguel Cotto fit the criteria or at least more the average non-Kalenjin?
     
  14. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course. It all makes sense now.
     
  15. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    G.C. is all over youtube, but yes, it's something like 8 reps per exercise.

    I don't think the "lineman program" was HIIT, at least the way I understand it, it was more for explosive strength. They wanted us conditioned like sprinters with a lot of overall strength.