cotto can't outbox margo, he will have to outfight margo...

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  1. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    i cant see boxing working with margo, when williams beat him he had to throw and throw and throw, margo will keep coming forward, unless margo respects cotto's power (which i doubt) cotto will have to out punch, outland and outfight margo.


    cotto tko8
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Cotto will outfight him in the early rounds, but Margarito will keep coming. Cotto will start to give ground between 6-8 and Margarito will shade 2/3 of those rounds.

    The fight will finish with Cotto handily outboxing the tired, hurt Margarito, who will be becoming a bit wilder and less disciplined in desperation of scoring the ko.

    Cotto closes the fight out well and comes close to stopping Margarito in 12 before being handed a UD by judges.
     
  3. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    He can outbox Margo, forget the extra reach and the constant pressuring, Cotto is a more rounded boxer, quicker and I'm confident would be able to outbox Margo of the back foot.

    That's not going to happen though, I expect Cotto to come out all guns blazing and hurt Margo, people talk about Margo's chin and constant pressuring but he's been rocked before and is he going to want to keep coming forward and get wacked with bodyshots from the best bodypuncher in the business? I don't think so.

    I expect Cotto to hurt Margo to the body and make him back up in the fight, before finishing him off. Cotto TKO mid rounds (though I hope it will be the 1st, plus make me rich Miguel :D lol)
     
  4. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Cotto's real chance here is to attack Margarito early and stay on him consistently for 12 rounds.

    If he tries to box Margarito he is going to find out what Santos, Clottey and Williams already know. You cannot run from Margarito without paying a stiff price. If you give him room to extend his punches eventually he is going to start landing. Say what you will about Margarito but when he ups the numbers and gets into a rythmn he lands with consistency. The more time Cotto gives Margarito at his range the more Margarito will land.

    I look for Cotto to start early and attack Margarito. I see Margarito's lead uppercut being a significant factor here, knocking Cotto back and making him think twice about coming forward. After about 3 good rounds for Cotto, Margarito will have found his range and will be beating Cotto up with lead uppercuts to the body and to the head. Cotto will be more and more drained as he keeps trying to dent Margarito on the inside. But as the rounds go by Margarito gets stronger and Cotto gets weaker.

    About round 9-10 we see Cotto, significantly drained, dropped by the same uppercut that has been hitting him all night. He gets up, goes on the defensive and Margarito follows, hitting him with overhand rights and uppercuts. Cotto goes down and stays down this time. TKO in 10 for Margarito.
     
  5. J.R.

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    I agree with this, and I've been saying it all along. I don't know how some of you expect Cotto to completely outbox and out slick Margo on the outside at the end of Margo's long arms and with the relentless pressure he can apply.

    Let's face it, Cotto is good at fighting backwards, but what he does great is coming forward and banging away at you in close quarters. And with Cotto's shorter, faster hands and harder body attack, the inside is exactly where he should be.

    Cotto KO in 10.
     
  6. JabCross727

    JabCross727 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With 8 days to go before the fight, I love how people still think that Margarito will simply overwhelm Cotto because he works more and will use his height and reach. True, he will at some instances. But the question I ask is that Cotto has faced these attributes in the past and is undefeated. I think Cotto and his camp knows perfectly well what Margarito plans to do. It would be unexpected for Margarito to completely change his style and become a Muhammad Ali with speed and lateral movement. Simply put, Margarito can't change Margarito overnight. Finally, people have been saying that Margarito and his camp are more confident than Cotto and his camp. Maybe it is because he is the taller and perceived stronger and overwhelm Cotto. Then again, you have a quiet champ in Cotto who says he is unfazed by Margarito and looks forward to it as another fight and will do whatever it takes to win. Despite the doubters, I think Cotto will win this one but it will be interesting to see how he does so. Margo is going to pressure but will Cotto trade, box and weave, or put together a blend of two styles in the ring. Just can't wait to see the fight. I think it comes to Margarito wanting the win but Cotto is on a mission to maintain welterweight supremacy.
     
  7. FlatNose

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    No way Cotto stops Margarito...in fact it will be very dangerous for Miguel in the late rounds when Antonio comes on strong. Remember the fade Cotto experienced against Moesly? Expect that again, except Margarito is bigger, stronger, and harding punching than Shane.This will be a tough one for Cotto to get through.
     
  8. McGrain

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    I can see this - I don't think it's unreasonable.

    But what do we mean when we say "options"? Cotto is the boxer in this fight. When it gets hot he can step out and take a breath. It is my opinion that he will win the rounds in which he does this - or if he does this for 3 rounds he will win 2, yeah?

    Now, at some point Margarito, behind on the cards is going to come for him, big style. At that time, Cotto is best advised to box. Agree or disagree?
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    He can outbox him what do you mean? Margo can't deal with movement and you're giving a limited guy like Margo way too much credit. Williams was out manuvering Margo at will and Cotto can do the same. Sure he'll have to stand and trade in spurts but if he does this for the majority of the fight he'll be fighting Margo's fight. As long as he uses his jab and moves he should win by wide UD.
     
  10. Relentless

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    williams had to fight the fight of his life to beat margo, he had to throw punch after punch, margo may look easy to outbox but its different when you are in there with him.
     
  11. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good

    Pretty much how I see it going - but possibly Marg being a bit more wild in the last two and it turning into a slug fest
     
  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Margo is easy to outbox. The fact when Williams was moving all over the place he had Margo bufuddled and lost. Show Margo some movement and he can't set his feet to get off his power shots and becomes less effective. You act as of Margo is a master at cutting off the ring which he's not he has a very low boxing IQ. Cotto can box circles around the plodding Margo if he chooses to.
     
  13. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If cotto tries to out slug the bigger stronger Margarito he's as good as KOed by 7.
    The Bigger margarito would only wear down the smaller Cotto in those wild heated exchange, if cotto chose to box he can control peace of the fight , get in behind his jab , get off his combination and then slide out the side door with both hand up to avoid those awkward shots margarito like to throw, he does he will be fine but if he follow your advice he's KOed by 7.
     
  14. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've never bought the whole Cotto stops Margarito thing. I think it's possible, but i'd be really impressed if he did. Now, i see you are comparing the ending of Cotto/Mosely to how the ending of Cotto/Margo. Although i think a similar ending is possible i definitly do not agree with your reasoning. You say that Margo is bigger, stronger and harder punching than Shane, but what about Shane being the faster and vastly the more expirineced fighter??? You can say all you want about Margo's and Cotto's record (yes they have many fights and are very expirienced), but look at Mosely's resume and look at the people his fought. In all i'm just pointing out the classic "styles make fights" and even though Margarito has a difficult style for Cotto, he will not present Cotto the same problems Mosely showed him.

    ps: I know you weren't arguing records, in fact this is not an argument :good at all, but i'm just explaining why I point out that Shane is much more expirienced than Margarito.
     
  15. charlievint

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    He can't out fight Marg! If he can't outbox Margo Cotto will be in a world of trouble. Dont bang with Marg! Williams was able to beat Marg b/c of his high punch out put and the ability to BOX.

    His reach and height were also helpful in creating enough distance for Paul to be ultimately successful. Paul was working the jab, using angles and controlling distance. Marg wasn't able to bang with Paul on the inside b/c Paul was controlling the fight with movement and a constant array of offense.

    Cotto doen'st have to be non stop but he does have to use the jab, good footwork and strong couters to keep Marg honest and out of pocket. I'm not saying cotto shouldn't bang with Marg at all......He should, but only on his terms. He needs to switch things up with Marg....box, box, BANG! Then back to boxing.

    That will keep Marg guessing and out of rythm. But my guess is Cotto's pride takes over and he tries to beat Marg at his own game and I think Cotto's getting KO'd.