cotto can't outbox margo, he will have to outfight margo...

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  1. JabCross727

    JabCross727 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The second part of the first sentence sounds like the Baldomir-Mayweather fight where Mayweather put on a boxing clinic. Maybe that is one prong of Cotto's strategy and the other is to engage at some points when it is to his advantage.
     
  2. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This was actually fun to read :lol: and i hope the fight plays out like that. Very specific post now lets enjoy the hype and on July 26 enjoy the fight :good
     
  3. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxing doesn't mean running, in both instances where margarito was out boxed , he was out boxed badly. Cotto has enough fire power that if he does box Margarito he will take some much needed steam from margarito going in to the later rounds Clotty and Williams both proved this.

    If Cotto can dictate the peace until the 8th by boxing then he will have taken enough out of margarito , that if he does have to stand trade Cotto has a better chance coming out on top because of his faster hand speed.

    If cotto engages in swopping punches with Margarito early in the fight , he won't make it to the 12th .
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    ...yeah, I see what you are saying.

    I think that engaging when it is to his advantage is a part of Cotto's plan, but I think that will happen at very specific points. Margarito has decent balance and is in punching position often, but he is still there to be hit, and I expect Cotto to go looking for him. But I think Margarito is tough enough to pass the test early. This will see Margarito trailing quite badly on the cards after 4 or 5 assuming he doesn't score a flash KD.

    So Margarito will have to push him. This is when Cotto will begin to pick and choose his spots.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Can't wait for this one.
     
  6. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    What I do agree with is that Miguel might have some mild success at times with his backward movement, but whether he tries that out early as strategy, or whether he does that later on in order to adjust I have no idea.

    What I do have a clue about is that he won't be able to box for too long without Margo being able to catch up to him and fire off his bombs. Be real here guys, Cotto is not the slickest boxer in the world and he usually has to stop in order to deliver his offense. He also always keeps his back dangerously close to the ropes whenever moving around the ring. So with that I can forsee Margo being able to cut off the ring and nail Cotto at the end of his punches while Miguel is on the move and not set to fire off is offensive attack.

    All that is why I think Cotto will be best served to come straight at the taller Tony and take full advantage of those smaller arms and faster hands of his. Especially when's he hurt like in the Torres fight when he got rocked, and instead of electing to back peddle, what Cotto did instead was attack harder and bang to Ricardo's body. That right there will be his best key to victory IMO.
     
  7. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with a lot of what you say, but it think that if Cotto ever gets in deep trouble against Margarito the end could be near. In the Torres fight Cotto did everything he could to survive and he was succesful, but in that fight he moved, he stayed in the pocket and he slightly held (only when really nescesary). I dont think any of those would work against Margarito, maybe a blend of those could like he did in the Torres fight, but staying in the pocket when hurt????
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You can stay in the pocket when hurt, but you need to be a massive puncher or a proper heart-breaker - see Dempsey against Firpo and Hagler against Hearns for respective examples.
     
  9. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Cotto can outbox Margarito and still get the KO ... you just don't want to see a boxing match ... get over it ...
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Margarito will respect Cotto for being a champion and a legit threat ... I don't see him swarming Cotto early ... I see Cotto making it a boxing match and forcing Margarito to box.
     
  11. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    If this were the case Santos would have had no problem with Margarito.

    Don't overlook the fact that Williams is 6'2 and has an 81 inch reach. Cotto is much smaller. Being able to keep Margarito on the end of his punches worked for Williams. It will not work for Cotto. He has to get inside and work where his shorter arms will make a difference.

    On the outside Cotto will get beat up. I know you don't think so but that's just because you aren't thinking this through right. Margarito is simply too big and too active for Cotto to box this one.
     
  12. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i dont konw how to call this fight... i think cotto all the way... but margo has everything to get htat one lucky punch and end the fight early..

    i think cotto to win... but he will be tested real bad during this fight.. if he fails to pass the test he loses
     
  13. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    What the hell are you on about? Outboxed badly? What **** were you smoking during those fights?

    Santos, Clottey and Williams all took a helluva beating. Santos barely edged Margarito, Williams won like 3 more rounds. And that depended on Margarito not following his normal routine. Clottey got his ass tore up after round 5. No excuses.

    Running from Margarito might work if you are 170lb Daniel Santos or 162lb Paul Williams. STILL those two were ready to go late in the fight. Little ass Cotto is not going to do better, infact he will do worse if he runs. You do not give a guy like Margarito space. Once he amps up his punch output and shows no respect for you, you are done. No ifs ands or buts about it.
     
  14. Armo_Ruski

    Armo_Ruski best of da best Full Member

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    i will never put the words "cotto" and "cant" together in a sentence... he can outbox mago and can ko or tko him...
     
  15. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He can't out fight Marg! If he can't outbox Margo Cotto will be in a world of trouble. Dont bang with Marg! Williams was able to beat Marg b/c of his high punch out put and the ability to BOX.

    His reach and height were also helpful in creating enough distance for Paul to be ultimately successful. Paul was working the jab, using angles and controlling distance. Marg wasn't able to bang with Paul on the inside b/c Paul was controlling the fight with movement and a constant array of offense.

    Cotto doen'st have to be non stop but he does have to use the jab, good footwork and strong couters to keep Marg honest and out of pocket. I'm not saying cotto shouldn't bang with Marg at all......He should, but only on his terms. He needs to switch things up with Marg....box, box, BANG! Then back to boxing.

    That will keep Marg guessing and out of rythm. But my guess is Cotto's pride takes over and he tries to beat Marg at his own game and I think Cotto's getting KO'd.