Cotto/Clottey and you.

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Bunce, Jun 13, 2009.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Barney Ross versus Jimmy McLarnin baby:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlWPTK1eYVo

    McLarnin is way, way underated.


    And whatever the rules, I got to mention the one that got away, Sugar Ray versus Charley Burley. Maybe the two greatest welters ever head to head, they share an era, and nothing happens at 147 or 160.


    Burley on the right. The giant is probably JD Turnter, 220lbs, Burley stopped him in 7.
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  2. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ****ing hell! Burley is giving a lot away physically there.

    I have to read more on this bloke.




    NB: Thanks McGrain; wish you would post here more.
     
  3. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've got Burley's bio but haven;t got round to finishing it. He certainly was an interesting dude.
     
  4. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll put it on my to-do list Ishy.

    So many other books to get through at the moment unfortunately:twisted:
     
  5. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    He's one of the forgotten greats. 'His' book claims that Robinson was offered a career high payday to fight Burley but declined, I'm not sure I believe that but SRR was certainly in no rush to fight Burley.
     
  6. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    :yep

    Gaz, that avatar is highly disturbing. We agreed that pic looked like shite yesterday.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm gonna chum, that's a promise.

    Burley was giving up 70-80lbs, the details are a little uncertain. But he punched the **** out of him.

    Not to be to self serving but...:D
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=17162&more=1
     
  8. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    i didn't mean it like that, i meant fighters and fights of our time as we would be more familiar with the scenario and circumstance and i know you've seen them but how many have just read an article or heard it from someone else, crebility was probabily the wrong word to use though :good
     
  9. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Well I figured the Setanta "thing" was job done so I thought my next avatar campaign would be to try and popularize the eating of afterbirth in batter throughout the UK!!!
     
  10. Chubble19

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    Ill throw in the following fights;

    Trinidad V De La Hoya
    Whittaker V Cesar Chavez
    Carmine Basilio V Tony DeMarco
     
  11. D-MAC

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    Very good article there McGrain, you've got a real fluid writing style, easy to read.

    You think Chagaev has a good chance against Vlad then?
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Cheers.


    ...no, I make Wlad a pretty heavy favourite. Remember Chagaev against Skelton? He gassed a bit around 10 if I remember, had a chance to close with a tired Skelton - who is not a puncher or a trapping-style general - and he couldn't close the blinds on him. I think he gassed. Since then he's had another injury and he looked a bit shitty against Drummond.

    But he has been through a proper camp to take on a champion, and then given a few weeks to adjust for Wlad - so he should be in the best shape he can make at this point. And if i'm honest with you, I think that Chagaev from a few years back would have set Wlad some very interesting problems in a crap fight.

    Now, I think we might get a clean Wlad win in a decent fight. Would love to see him win though, I always liked him.

    You?
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    mcgrain good to see you post here.

    McGrain i liked your theory you suggested before about beating Wlad is a case of controlling the tempo and ring generalship thats a great theory and a corrrect one i beleive. I dont think Chageav is the right guy to do it though.

    Also McGrain Cotto or Clotttey
     
  14. D-MAC

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    Same scenario I'm afraid.

    I mentioned this in another thread in the general. He done well hooking in from mid-range against Valuev, but Vlad (and that jab) are a whole different prospect. Plus all the injuries! I'm not too sure what to expect, but Vlad has gotta be the favouite.

    Funnily enough I thought he came on strong against Skelton, and looked close to stopping him; I may have to watch that fight again.........but then again maybe not; it wasn't a great spectacle.

    Still I think that Chagaev has probably the best boxing brain out of the current crop of HW's, so you never know, he might come up with something. Anyway, I don't think it will be Vlad-Ibragimov II as some were suggesting.
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    D-Mac could it not be said that Wlad is the cleverer (is that a word) boxer. He keeps the range and tempo under controll brillaintly and executes his game plans to perfection. I really dont see much Heavyweights having a better ring IQ. I think possibly Vitali is maybe a slightly better ring general as he has a very high workrate he imposes on opponents but dosent stick toa game plan aswell.

    what do you guys think about Banks vs Butlin (who i interviewed today)