Cotto compared to Lujan

As usual with your posts it's half response half propaganda.

Chill with the projection Kool Aid and take another look at Solimon.

He doesn't move his head heaps. All he does is move his body into his punches. Look at his second fight with Mundine. Everytime Solimon came up his head was stiff as a board. That is how Mundine was able to hit him with right hands. He has shitty head movement. Dipping and then coming back up to punch is not head movement.

 

I think that was MSTR point def. Sam does move his head more than mayweather but it is not precise head movement. He just moves his head with body for the sake of moving his head. Whereas mayweather moves his slightly and less often, but is on another stratosphere when it comes to the effectiveness of that movement.

 

Solimon doesn't move his head more than Mayweather at all! I'm not talking quality even, just sheer quantity. When you consider all of the subtle movement of Mayweather his sheer numbers make Solimon look like a statue.

 

Are you talking about the Marg Lujan fight. Then yes. Lets.

 

You gotta be joking m8. Soliman fights like Frazier. His whole game is awkward head movent and bobbing up and down. No way does mayweather even come close to the amount of head movement Sam uses. I wish I could shrink Sam and put the ****er on my dashboard.

 

Im still waiting for you rafael to go through the round by round with me m8.

 

So now Solimon is like Fraizer? :rofl

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Note the side to side head movement of Fraizer here. Original video won't link. Fraizer's head is never in the same place when he comes back up.

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Note the lack of side to side movement here by Solimon. He moves back, up, down but side to side is poor. Everytime he moves his waist his head is stiff as a board. Watch how Mundine picks up on this and starts throwing right hands when Solimon straightens up. He already knows Solimon is going to be right there when he comes up. You know why? He has no head movement.

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I don't know whats up with posting Fraizer videos but go to youtube and look at how Fraizer not only bends at the waist but he also uses side to side head movement. His head is never in the same position coming up. That is why its hard to nail him with right hands as he straightens up.

 

Still up for, Shift? It's about 1am here and I have it up. My energy and focus are a tad low at the moment. I did just watch this in full last night so it's less than exciting as I start the first round. We can make a run at this now, watch independently and compare notes, or try and have a look whenever/sometime before the fight on the 26th.

My contention again is that Lujan is faster with his feet - essentially more explosive coming forward, has better head movement and movement at the waist, and greater athleticism.

This stuff is subjective to a certain extent - although my feeling is that it's pretty plain to see Lujan looks like Cotto on Popeye's spinach - though he's all over the place and not nearly the technician or artist that Cotto is. He's clearly faster in all of his movement than Cotto in any fight - though handspeed is debatable at this point and not something I isolated - and Lujan can stay right in the pocket and rotate his torso, move his head slightly, or bend forward and make Margarito miss full 3, 4, and 5 punch combinations from all angles with the greatest of ease... He's much better than average at this. Overall he is a much better athlete than most boxers, I don't think this is a fair fight, honestly. The guy has a build similiar to Cotto's but he can move his body around like a point guard. Very quick for a stocky little ****er.

I have my way of looking at things, you probably have yours. I can't make a fuss out of a difference in perception - but that's me... Can't speak for everyone on that.

 

Now your nitpicking nro. You can't tell me that apart from more side-to-side action their style isn't similar. I never said exactly the same as Frazier, I said like him. Anyway the point was that lujan's head movement wasn't as effective as cotto's. And even if it is, it is only because he never stops swaing round and round.

 

It isn't nitpicking. You can time a guy much easier when he is only bending at the waist. But if he bends at the waist, dips left or right and comes up randomly left or right, turns his head away from punches, moves with punches, then he is much more difficult to hit clean.

Mayweather point blank moves his head more often than Solimon does.

As far as Lujan is concerned his constant movement may make him a bit harder to hit clean, but it also minimizes his impact offensively. It can be good or bad. Like I stated before Cotto's sitting down on his punches and his vunerability has afforded him a very solid offensive game. And it has served him well from 140-147. I just happen to think it will fail him against Margarito.

 

If Lujan wasn't putting so much leather on Margarito I might agree with guys that his head movement gets in the way of his offense. He was giving Margarito plenty to think about in there before he started gassing and getting broken down.

 

Now thats a better post bro. Why couldn't you come out like this at the begining. Could have saved ouselves all the bitching which I hate to death. Anyway, I don't see him better with his feet. I just don't feel like he moves around the ring with the ease that cotto does. His pivots are akward and his step on the jab is horrible after the 2nd round. This comes to my point that his athleticism is not up there with cotto's. In the 2-3 fights of lujans I have seen he seems to fade fairly early and get lazy on his jab.

I agree with you that he is able to make Margo miss 2-3 and even 4 punch combos, however once he is done bobbing and weaving, he very rarely ends up in an advantages position where he would be able to counter effectively. Instead he must resort to throwing those wide long hooks of his. Kind of hail maries if you ask me. The hand speed is not debateable, cotto could match mosley (albeit an older mosley, but still very fast) for speed so that is what it is.

You are correct though that a lot of this is subjective and if thats the way you see then so bee it. I just don't. I gues we will just have and see how cotto fairs against margo. :good

 

Fair enough, Shift. We shall see on the 26th what these pugs got. :bbb