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Maxmomer · Dec 10, 2007

brooklyn1550 said:

HERE IS SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT AS TO WHY MIGUEL COTTO WOULD GIVE FLOYD MAYWEATHER A MUCH TOUGHER FIGHT THAN RICKY HATTON

Ricky Hatton was a roughhousing swarmer while Miguel Cotto is a technical pressure fighter. It is the technical pressure fighters that can disrput Floyd's rhythm, not so much the fighters with Hatton's head first style.

Cotto will not try to box on the outside like Arturo Gatti nor will he leap in with wild shots like Ricky Hatton. He will work his way inside behind a jab. He knows how to get inside better than Hatton and he doesn't take as much punishment coming in. Why? Because he holds his hands high and unlike Hatton, slips occasionally and moves his head more. He doesn't have the head movement coming in like Roberto Duran, but don't be fooled, he does move his head.

Cotto didn't apply the same kind of pressure he normally does against Mosley because of Mosley's physical strength. Mayweather is strong, but not as strong as Mosley. Cotto would most definitely be applying relentless pressure. He is a very cerebral fighter and knows he couldn't box or counter punch Floyd in the center of the ring.

On the inside, Cotto doesn't smother his attack or grapple like Hatton. He lets his hands go in combination and on the elite level, he is a better body puncher than Hatton. His workrate would be greater than Hatton's.

Hatton has greater footspeed, but Castillo didn't have great footspeed and he gave Mayweather a tougher time than Hatton. Hatton can close the gap quicker, but Cotto is very consistant and always stalking. His speed is underrated. A difference between Hatton and Cotto is that Cotto has better overall footwork. He is always balanced and in position to throw.

I find it absolutely absurd that people say Mayweather would knock out Cotto faster than he did Ricky Hatton. At 147, Hatton is not an elite fighter. He is a B-level fighter than would lose to every champion and would likely go life and death with every other top 10 fighter. People say Cotto's chin is much worse which is simply not the case. At 147, Hatton was out on his feet, rocked, and arguably knocked down by Luis Collazo - a guy not known for his power. And yesterday, he was knocked out pretty badly by Floyd Mayweather. Cotto's chin issues were talked about when he was at 140. But I feel, and the evidence suggests that it was because he was draining himself to make weight. At 147, he has only been rocked by Zab Judah who stunned Mayweather, KO'd Cosme Rivera, and TKO'd Cory Spinks. Judah has more power than Collazo or Mayweather, and Cotto dealt better with his clean shots than Hatton did with either opponent he has faced at welterweight.

Cotto can deal with speed. Granted he has never faced an opponent with the speed of hand or foot of Mayweather, but against Malignaggi, Quintana, Judah, and Mosley, he neutralized speed, cut off the ring, and applyed effective pressure. Hatton, on the other hand, has great trouble with speedy fighters who can counter punch and catch guys coming in. Eamon Magee showed Hatton's vulnerability, Collazo did as well, and Mayweather fully capitalized on it.

Cotto has superb timing, a superb jab, and is a better body puncher than Ricky Hatton. He is so much stronger and every indication is that he is much better at welterweight than Hatton. Just have a look at their performances.

It is crazy to think Hatton is better than Cotto at 147.

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Castillo worked behind a jab to get inside and was a technical pressure fighter. He gave Mayweather perhaps his toughest fight, and many people believe he beat Mayweather in the first fight. Hatton's swarming style gave Mayweather some trouble early, but as I predicted, Floyd figured him out and caught him over and over coming in. It is the technical pressure fighters who give Floyd the most trouble.

Cotto would have to use the jab coming in. It works to his advantage over coming in like a bull with wide shots and his chin exposed. It can keep fighters off balance and occupied and it also allows Cotto to take less punishment. You say it's not a good idea to work behind the jab? Duran did it, Chavez did it, other great pressure fighters did it. Ricky Hatton is not a great pressure fighter. He's a roughhouser and a swarmer. He only threw 6 jabs a round which is dismal.

The key to effective pressure is a good jab. It doesn't mean Cotto would engage in a jabbing battle on the outside. It means he would use the jab to get inside where he could do his best work. Also, using the jab to get in close as Cotto does and keeping your hands high as Cotto also does makes it harder for opponents to counter him coming in. A thing to notice about Cotto's jab is that he times opponents with it and hits them when they least expect it. He studies their rhythms.

Nobody fights Cotto and has an easy time. He can close the gap and is better on the inside than Hatton. Cotto throws more fluid combinations and works the body more often. Physically, he is much stronger than Hatton and he hits much harder. He has better footwork and is better at cutting off the ring.

Judah's punching power gave Cotto trouble early on. He caught him with shots he didn't see coming and because Judah can really crack, Cotto was stunned and slightly rocked. However, as early as the second round, he was dealing with Zab's speed fine and cutting off the ring.

Malignaggi put up a game fight and did have success with the jab, but at 140, Cotto fought in spurts because he was weight drained. At 147, he is a much different fighter.

Cotto dealt with Mosley's speed fine. His handspeed wasn't as great, but it was close. The thing that gave Cotto trouble was Mosley's physical strength, not his speed of hand or foot. And Mosley wasn't hitting him at will. Cotto landed at a higher connect percentage and actually showed a good defense.

It is crazy to think Hatton has a better chin at 147 than Cotto. I gave all my reasons, so I'm not going to type them out again. Just watch the performances, see how much they were hurt, and then factor in the fighters who did it to them.

Hatton is not an elite fighter at 147. He's good, but not elite. Cotto, on the other hand, is elite. His technical skillset, physical strength, pressuring skills, outside accuracy, footwork, balance, underrated hand speed, brutal body punching, and fierce determination lead me to fully believe Mayweather would most certainly not have an easy night with him.
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Excellent, excellent post. My feelings exactly. I don't think Mayweather should have ever bothered with Hatton in the first place, he needs to fight Cotto.

Scar · Dec 10, 2007

Maxmomer said:

Excellent, excellent post. My feelings exactly. I don't think Mayweather should have ever bothered with Hatton in the first place, he needs to fight Cotto.
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:rofl :rofl

Symphenyceo · Dec 10, 2007

Scar said:

Have had endless arguments with him 1 year ago, believe that?, EXACTLY 1 year ago and it was the Baldomir fight. Had more with him before that as well and he still brings the same bull**** over and over then as he's getting owned he'll start insulting. Being a Floyd fan automatically makes you a "Floyd boy" in his worthless imagination. This guy is a clown, PERIOD. Before the Judah fight he was pissed and said that Floyd should fight Baldomir, THE REAL UNDISPUTED CHAMPION instead of Judah or Margarito(sitting as a spare just incase Floyd does indeed fight Baldomir), then Floyd fights Baldomir he should fight, guess?, Margarito. Floyd moves up and decides to fight DLH and he's a "chicken" for ducking the almighty great Margarito(who struggles with the likes of Daniel Santos), I could swear that he also mentioned Hatton as a great opponent during our discussions, now he meets Hatton and Cotto is the almighty KING of all, together with Paul Williams(the new spare).

You want my honest opinion of the fights with the clown being ignored?, here's how I see it. Paul Williams will be a WAY tougher fight for Floyd than Cotto in my opinion. The honest people criticizing Floyd wanted him to fight someone who would put in a lot of pressure. Floyd picked 2 in a row. DLH, at Light Middleweight(Floyd's first fight at the weight) with all the advantages on DLH's side(Smaller ring, smaller gloves, less money than previously offered and whatever else I'm forgetting) yet Floyd won a close fight(I scored it for DLH, by the way). Then Floyd picks Hatton and beats him as well in impressive fashion. Two very good sluggers than gave Floyd HELL till he won. I would rather see Floyd fight someone else because let's be honest, if DLH and Hatton couldn't do it then Cotto wouldn't in my opinion, don't forget that Cotto CAN'T take a good punch, especially punches he doesn't see which Floyd will land A LOT considering he's way faster and DOES have power, which is why I would rather see him fight Williams. My prediction?, Mayweather defeats Cotto by UD(a TKO isn't impossible) and beats Williams by SD(might even lose that one, anything is possible). Conclusion?, Williams is a new type of challenge, the likes of Margarito/Cotto aren't considering he just beat DLH/Hatton who are sluggers, not 100% the same of course but still they're sluggers.
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:good i needed a logical post because lance "homer" uppercut was just getting pretty sad

Thom · Dec 10, 2007

Scar said:

Who the **** do you think you are calling me a jerk?
Go back to crying you damn fool and keep qqing some more please. First it was "Margarito" now it's "Cotto" who brings the real tests and challenge. After Cotto it's Paul Williams, after Paul Williams you'll probably nominate yourself. Reply to others please, I'm done arguing with you. 1 year later and you're still posting the same junk, if 1 year of exciting fights didn't change you then keep jumping from one bandwagon to another like the clown you are and will forever be.

End of discussion, reply to whoever is bored enough for your absolute worthless hating junk.
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THANK YOU SCAR. I think that a lot of us are tired of that POS and his agenda.

Symphenyceo · Dec 10, 2007

Maxmomer said:

Excellent, excellent post. My feelings exactly. I don't think Mayweather should have ever bothered with Hatton in the first place, he needs to fight Cotto.
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and after he BEATS cotto who else would you wish him to fight

Scar · Dec 10, 2007

Symphenyceo said:

and after he BEATS cotto who else would you wish him to fight
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I'll give you his reply.

"Excellent Excellent Excellent /pray /praise /hail post, will you marry me?. Floyd shouldn't even have bothered with a fighter like Cotto, the next opponent should be Manny Pacquiao."

Symphenyceo · Dec 10, 2007

Scar said:

I'll give you his reply.

"Excellent Excellent Excellent /pray /praise /hail post, will you marry me?. Floyd shouldn't even have bothered with a fighter like Cotto, the next opponent should be Manny Pacquiao."
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:rofl

Symphenyceo · Dec 10, 2007

Assassin said:

After that..

Floyd still hasn't fought Williams, Margarito, Alcine, Forrest, Wright, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Kessler, Abraham, Pavlik, Jones, Trinidad, Dawson, Ding, Haye and Wladimir Klitschko.
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and he wont be an ATG until he unifies from MW-HW

carras · Dec 10, 2007

brooklyn1550 said:

HERE IS SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT AS TO WHY MIGUEL COTTO WOULD GIVE FLOYD MAYWEATHER A MUCH TOUGHER FIGHT THAN RICKY HATTON

Ricky Hatton was a roughhousing swarmer while Miguel Cotto is a technical pressure fighter. It is the technical pressure fighters that can disrput Floyd's rhythm, not so much the fighters with Hatton's head first style.

Cotto will not try to box on the outside like Arturo Gatti nor will he leap in with wild shots like Ricky Hatton. He will work his way inside behind a jab. He knows how to get inside better than Hatton and he doesn't take as much punishment coming in. Why? Because he holds his hands high and unlike Hatton, slips occasionally and moves his head more. He doesn't have the head movement coming in like Roberto Duran, but don't be fooled, he does move his head.

Cotto didn't apply the same kind of pressure he normally does against Mosley because of Mosley's physical strength. Mayweather is strong, but not as strong as Mosley. Cotto would most definitely be applying relentless pressure. He is a very cerebral fighter and knows he couldn't box or counter punch Floyd in the center of the ring.

On the inside, Cotto doesn't smother his attack or grapple like Hatton. He lets his hands go in combination and on the elite level, he is a better body puncher than Hatton. His workrate would be greater than Hatton's.

Hatton has greater footspeed, but Castillo didn't have great footspeed and he gave Mayweather a tougher time than Hatton. Hatton can close the gap quicker, but Cotto is very consistant and always stalking. His speed is underrated. A difference between Hatton and Cotto is that Cotto has better overall footwork. He is always balanced and in position to throw.

I find it absolutely absurd that people say Mayweather would knock out Cotto faster than he did Ricky Hatton. At 147, Hatton is not an elite fighter. He is a B-level fighter than would lose to every champion and would likely go life and death with every other top 10 fighter. People say Cotto's chin is much worse which is simply not the case. At 147, Hatton was out on his feet, rocked, and arguably knocked down by Luis Collazo - a guy not known for his power. And yesterday, he was knocked out pretty badly by Floyd Mayweather. Cotto's chin issues were talked about when he was at 140. But I feel, and the evidence suggests that it was because he was draining himself to make weight. At 147, he has only been rocked by Zab Judah who stunned Mayweather, KO'd Cosme Rivera, and TKO'd Cory Spinks. Judah has more power than Collazo or Mayweather, and Cotto dealt better with his clean shots than Hatton did with either opponent he has faced at welterweight.

Cotto can deal with speed. Granted he has never faced an opponent with the speed of hand or foot of Mayweather, but against Malignaggi, Quintana, Judah, and Mosley, he neutralized speed, cut off the ring, and applyed effective pressure. Hatton, on the other hand, has great trouble with speedy fighters who can counter punch and catch guys coming in. Eamon Magee showed Hatton's vulnerability, Collazo did as well, and Mayweather fully capitalized on it.

Cotto has superb timing, a superb jab, and is a better body puncher than Ricky Hatton. He is so much stronger and every indication is that he is much better at welterweight than Hatton. Just have a look at their performances.

It is crazy to think Hatton is better than Cotto at 147.

HERE'S A LITTLE MORE
Castillo worked behind a jab to get inside and was a technical pressure fighter. He gave Mayweather perhaps his toughest fight, and many people believe he beat Mayweather in the first fight. Hatton's swarming style gave Mayweather some trouble early, but as I predicted, Floyd figured him out and caught him over and over coming in. It is the technical pressure fighters who give Floyd the most trouble.

Cotto would have to use the jab coming in. It works to his advantage over coming in like a bull with wide shots and his chin exposed. It can keep fighters off balance and occupied and it also allows Cotto to take less punishment. You say it's not a good idea to work behind the jab? Duran did it, Chavez did it, other great pressure fighters did it. Ricky Hatton is not a great pressure fighter. He's a roughhouser and a swarmer. He only threw 6 jabs a round which is dismal.

The key to effective pressure is a good jab. It doesn't mean Cotto would engage in a jabbing battle on the outside. It means he would use the jab to get inside where he could do his best work. Also, using the jab to get in close as Cotto does and keeping your hands high as Cotto also does makes it harder for opponents to counter him coming in. A thing to notice about Cotto's jab is that he times opponents with it and hits them when they least expect it. He studies their rhythms.

Nobody fights Cotto and has an easy time. He can close the gap and is better on the inside than Hatton. Cotto throws more fluid combinations and works the body more often. Physically, he is much stronger than Hatton and he hits much harder. He has better footwork and is better at cutting off the ring.

Judah's punching power gave Cotto trouble early on. He caught him with shots he didn't see coming and because Judah can really crack, Cotto was stunned and slightly rocked. However, as early as the second round, he was dealing with Zab's speed fine and cutting off the ring.

Malignaggi put up a game fight and did have success with the jab, but at 140, Cotto fought in spurts because he was weight drained. At 147, he is a much different fighter.

Cotto dealt with Mosley's speed fine. His handspeed wasn't as great, but it was close. The thing that gave Cotto trouble was Mosley's physical strength, not his speed of hand or foot. And Mosley wasn't hitting him at will. Cotto landed at a higher connect percentage and actually showed a good defense.

It is crazy to think Hatton has a better chin at 147 than Cotto. I gave all my reasons, so I'm not going to type them out again. Just watch the performances, see how much they were hurt, and then factor in the fighters who did it to them.

Hatton is not an elite fighter at 147. He's good, but not elite. Cotto, on the other hand, is elite. His technical skillset, physical strength, pressuring skills, outside accuracy, footwork, balance, underrated hand speed, brutal body punching, and fierce determination lead me to fully believe Mayweather would most certainly not have an easy night with him.
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spot on:good

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Scar · Dec 10, 2007

Assassin said:

After that..

Floyd still hasn't fought Williams, Margarito, Alcine, Forrest, Wright, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Kessler, Abraham, Pavlik, Jones, Trinidad, Dawson, Ding, Haye and Wladimir Klitschko.
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Add Vitali Klitschko there please. :deal

bigtime9 · Dec 10, 2007

and he wont be an ATG until he unifies from MW-HW
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hilarious :rofl if floyd "unifies" 147 then he will need to "unify" 154 and if he "unifies" 154 then on to "unifying" 160.

floyd should retire and go make movies :hi:

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