Cotto deserves immense credit for taking the fight at Junior Welterweight!

Cotto can weigh-in at 147 if he wants. The WBO won't strip him of his belt for doing so. Like I said earlier, this is only a deffered negotiation tactic in regards to the purse split.

Actually, what would be hilarious is if both fighters came in over 145.

 

I'm not sure what you're saying here, but you're saying it, not me.

You and I have had this debate before. And the issue was unresolved then, too,

That would be a NECESSARY criterion of a WW fight, but not a SUFFICIENT criterion.

If THIS part is true, then it could be a welterweight bout.

With or without the emoticon, while there is no debating the 'facts,' it is perfectly in order to debate the implication of these facts.

If both fighters are permitted to come in at 147 and no heavier, then it is clearly a Welter weight bout.

If one fighter has been induced (by offer of a reward or fear of penalty) to come in at a weight less than the permitted 147, then, while the bout is still technically a welter weight bout, as 147 was permitted, any victory would always be under the cloud of suspicion as to how it might have gone in the absence of such interference.

As I have already mentioned, IMO, the two lbs will make little difference to Cotto, but will provide a figleaf of an excuse if he loses.

Clearly Pac's team believes it WILL make a difference, or they woulldn't be pressing the issue.

The whole affair would be a lot cleaner if they simply fought at the weight limit of 147. After all, we're told that the two lbs makes no difference.

 

It's 2lbs ffs!!

How many lbs heavier was Valuev over Haye last weekend?

 

It is abundantly clear that you DON'T understand his reasoning.

You've caught a glimpse of his reasoning, but the detailed nuances contained therein have escaped you.

When you build a 'fine' into the contract, one which induces one of the fighters to refrain from availing himself an advantage that is legally permitted of other welterweight fighters, then you have changed the rules of the game. That much should be obvious.

If Cotto were to agree fight Pac with a penalty clause of say, $100,000 per body shot thrown, you would have no trouble seeing that this would NOT be a regular title fight.

The sanctioning bodies might go along with this (or may even be kept in the dark regarding such a clause).

If Cotto refrains from using body shots, there is nothing illegal about the fight. Nothing in the rules require Cotto to use them.


And nothing in the rules of a WELTER WEIGHT title fight compels him to weigh in at 147.

But, by means of imposing a penalty for coming in above 145, the fight has been subtly changed from being a true WW bout, to a catchweight bout.

And this is true regardless of whether the sanctioning bodies go along with it or not.

Obviously they can sanction it if they wish, as it meets their criteria.

But everyone knows that it wasn't a proper WW bout if one of the fighters is induced to comes in 145.


If the point is still not clear to you, substitute 141 for 145.

It changes nothing in terms of the principles involved here, but it might perhaps illustrate the point better for you that a 141 lb 'contracted weight' fight would not be properly regarded as a WW bout, regardless of whether or not it met sanctioning requirements.

 

Not just hilarious, but right and fitting.

Both men should weigh in at 147, pay each other whatever the penalty is, and get on with the fight.

 

:rofl:rofl HW's are a different beast in itself. Once you hit 200 lbs or more POWER is there to have a shot at KOing anyone if landing the right punch. Smaller guys not so much. But yea....it's 2 pounds...actually 1 in miguels case.

 

Pac will have a hard enough time making 145......147 PAC will never make that weight until he fills out as a WW by having 3 or more fights there. He'll probably come in under 145 without a problem. Cotto came in at 146 with Josh and was in tremendous shape. 145 for him is a non issue. He looks really good right now.

 

i'm seeing an excuse being established here.

 

I HOPE HE PULLS THIS FIGHT THRU....:good

 

with the recent pics, it is clear that cotto is not gaunt like morales was in the last fight versus pac.

dude lets not lose sight of the fact that cotto came in at 146 in the last fight. so based on the most recent historical fighting weight, he will only need to lose 1 pound.

probably he just needs to shave off all his body hair and pee right before weigh in and he will be 145.

 

Junior welter ??? :roll:

Since when did 145 lbs fall into the junior welter weigh class? :think

. . . or is this an early excuse under disguise? Whaaaaaaat?

:rofl :rofl :rofl

 

He paid the fine...Cotto should do the same. **** catchweights.

 

Why is everyone making a big deal about 1 lousy pound???? He could go take a dump before the weigh in and lose the pound for Pete's sake. he could even shave his pubic hair if that's not enough. Team Pacquiao has already said, they'd fight him anyway if he comes in 147 as long as it's not over. This weight drain debate is so ridiculous. 1 pound won't matter. May the best man win, no excuses.

 

stfu

 

Both fighters deserve huge credit. They could have taken less risky fight just like Money Mayweather but they did not. Those are the real fighters not Money Mayweather.