Cotto Doesn't Want Title On The Line Vs Pacman

trying to state an opinion as fact isn't a good idea.

what first got me into the sport was reading an article in my local paper regarding the whole Middleweight tournament back in 2001 at MSG (with a Hopkins vs Trinidad final) to claim the undisputed champion

as someone not so interested in boxing before hand, I can say I was very interested in B-Hop claiming all 3 belts and becoming the undisputed champs

yes titles are not a be all to end all in boxing

but wouldn't it kinda suck if this wasn't a title fight?

I mean in the bigger picture the fights still happening, so title or not it's not the end of the world or anything.

and psycho .. look up the definition of Welterweight .. "a division with a max of 147 pounds"

yes 145 is welterweight .. as it's too big for Junior Welter and too light for Super Welter

but the definition of Welter (and I've found several)

all define it with having a maximum weight of 147 pounds.

so make all the emoticons you want

but even with

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weight, doesn't making a catchweight fight where the max you can weigh in =145 change the original definition of Welterweight?

i mean you are arguing technicality .. but look up the definition of Welterweight.

im not saying 145 doesn't = welterweight

just by making it with a max of 145 oppose to 147, it's rewriting the definition if you will.

 

nice post.
but that doesn't mean that they cannot fight for the belt at 145 because it is still a legit welter as what you define WW is. They just agree to fight that catchweight but still a WW. If cotto doesn't want or not comfortable at that weight then he should not sign the contract. And if pac doesn't want to fight without the title in line then he should fight another out there.

 

I think I already did slightly prove you wrong

regarding the red .. 141-147 is a range of weights ... 147 is the max for welterweight, as long as you weight under 147, a fighter can fight at Welter. Didn't Henry Armstrong fight pretty signifigantly under that listed range (138 I believe) granted it was decades ago

but doesn't that prove you wrong right there ... Armstrong didn't fight in the "Welterweight range" you listed of 141-147 .. so how in God's name could he fight for a Welterweight title?

again with the emoticons .. seriously look up the Welterweight definition man .. it doesn't say anything about 141 ... only a max of 147

"a boxing division with a weight up to 147" ... so in essence some truth to what you say, that as long as one isn't over 147 he can fight at Welter.

which relates to the next red about 145 .. yes under the rulebook it's clearly Welter

145 is too heavy for Lightweight or Junior Welter

and too light for Super Middle or Middle ... so yeah im not saying 145 not = Welter, because it clearly fits the definition of the Welterweight weight class in being under 147.

and regarding those 2 fight examples listed ... dunno about Duran/Leonard

but so what about both Judah/Cotto weighing under 147 .. I don't recall that fight being at a catchweight .. they weighted in at what they want .. big deal. Cotto was 146 vs Clottey right?

hopefully you can respond, and I anticipate it .. i just wonder if you'll respond intelligently or spew BS

 

title fights have happened before at catchweight .. don't get me wrong

most notably/recently B-Hop vs Winky @ 170 to name one

and B-Hop vs DLH to name another (fought below 160)

and im not arguing that 145 isn't Welterweight .. as I said already 145 too heavy for Junior Welter .. so by process of elimination it's the next division up, Welterweight

same idea as 161 being too heavy for Middleweight .. so it ='s Super Middle (think the Allan Green/Miranda fight)

just that technically speaking changing the max weight limit of Welterweight from 147 to 145 does slightly alter the definition

contrary to what all these "141-147 is welterweight" people think

as I don't recall anywhere seeing that weight range listed as specific Welterweight guidelines ... just the max of Welterweight. Again look for my Henry Armstrong post.

but Cotto signing the contract aside, if Team Pacquiao can play mind games with the weight

who's saying Cotto can't back with the Title not being on the line?

 

I don't think he is playing with it so he can get pac at the max weight. what I feel is that cotto doesn't have the confidence to himself and thinking "I'm gonna lose anywat I should not put my belt on line so I can have something to hold on to after my I my defeat."

 

I dunno, are you a mind reader

Cotto not having confidence in himself by putting the title on the line or not is a lot to assume

unless you can read his thoughts that is.

and if you can jump to that conclusion regarding Cotto.

then can I say the same thing regarding the confidence of Manny and his camp fighting at a catchweight oppose to straight up Welter?

I mean Manny didn't fight Ricky Hatton or De La Hoya at catchweights

all of a sudden vs Cotto, it's catchweight time?

I could say the same thing in that lacks confidence as well.

 

This is what I've been saying. The title adds to the promotion which equates to more money. In the end, it makes more sense to make the fight with the title on the line than it does without it.

 

^ if it makes dollars it makes sense, right?

 

remember pac not even reaching the max weight @ JWW? I know how great cotto is and just imagine how much will he out weight pac at the fight night even at a catchweight of 145. most probably pac will weigh 147 at fight night and cotto will be around 158 or 160. I am making sense? :think

 

Bull****. He wouldn't even fight if he wasn't confident. Let me say this again - He is still negotiating his pay. Why would he fold on that when he's still in negotiations? Him and his lawyer are using that to convince Arum he should get paid more. He knows if he loses, regardless of the belt being on the line, his draw and ranking goes down.

 

Pac weighted in at 142 or so vs DLH right?

and regarding the bold .. okay fight night Pac will be outweighed

correct me if im wrong but he moved up to face David Diaz, Ricky Hatton AND De La Hoya .. and probably weighed less on fight night in all 3 of those respective fights as well right?

weighing more then someone doesn't guarantee anything, and certainly not victory.

yes it makes sense, Cotto will weight more .. but so did DLH, Diaz and Hatton

that didn't stop Pac from winning those fights.

you have to use a better argument then "Pacquiao will be outweighed"

because while true, it's not like being the smaller man prevented Manny from winning the fight.

and true, if Cotto was really not confident about victory he wouldn't even have signed to fight Pacquiao

sorry I don't buy the title not on line= Cotto unconfident

because if you ask me, Freddy Roach making the fight at 145 shows a true lack in confidence as looking at Pacquiao's track record this is his only catchweight bout.

and not just that, but it was pretty wide spread news that Roach wanted 144 for the weight but Cotto wouldn't go that low, thus the 145

so who's really lacking confidence here?

 

Correction: Roach and Pac both wanted 143.

Your point is right on though.

 

oh right even lower, lol.

but yeah IMO manipulating at a catchweight really shows lack of confidence

but the point remains ... they wanted it lower then 145

**I won't loop Manny into this as all the articles and direct quotes were from Roach himself

who word for word said "we want him as low as possible"

 

Always great to show confidence.

Look man, 145, 140, 133, 160 or whatever. Pacquiao knocks him out, his style is wrong for someone like Cotto who was wide open against none other than the one dimensional zero skill no defense zombie and overrall TERRIBLE Margarito.

 

yeah Cotto is there to be hit, no denying that

and the possibility for Manny to just blitz him early and take him out can certainly happen

with that in mind, I don't really see this fight going the distance.