Cotto Doesn't Want Title On The Line Vs Pacman

you got me there ....
can you just answer this? Why thus cotto don't want to put his belt on line? He already knew that pac won't go 147. It doesn't make any sense to me

 

This is your personal opinion and this is always the case. It is is not written in stone or in the rules that title fights should be made at weight limit of 147. As long as both fighters agree to a contracted weight (in this case 145) and sanctioned by the boxing body (WBO), it is a legit title fight.

Btw, it is in the news that Pac-Cotto fight is a title fight.

 

It's your personal opinion or preference that it shouldn't but the fact is it can be a title fight at 145 as long as both agree. Nothing in the rules, it can't be as long as the fight is held within the range 141-147.

 

Well you maybe right regarding the bottom limit of 141 lbs because Amstrong did it long time ago. Therefore it makes my case stronger. A welter title can be challenged and can be place in the line even at 145. :deal

I stated 141 to 147 because that's exactly what's in the rule book. As to Duran, Leonard, Cotto and Judah . . . true that's no catchweight and that's exactly how they planned or wanted to come in into the fight and I only posted that to prove to these idiots that title fights can happen at any weight between 141 to 147. AT LEAST 2 to 4 morons in this thread is saying that Pac should fight Cotto at 147 if he wants the belt. :rofl

I don't spew bullshits to posters who deal with me logically. :good

 

145 is above Jr WW but it's not the max limit of WW.



Fighters CAN weigh in below 147 and fight for the belt. But when they have the right to weigh in at 147 it's fine. When you take away that right and make the max limit 145. There's a difference.

That's how I feel.

 

well regarding the bottom of Welterweight being 141, wouldn't it actually be anything over 140? as even 140.5 would be above the Junior Welter max, and classify as Welterweight.

Armstrong actually does make your case stronger, as even he was under the traditional guidelines (141-147) and still fought for a Welterweight crown.

with that in mind, Titles have been fought before at catchweights, so it's not like a 145 title fight is unheard of. (I think and I've heard before that Chavez-Whitaker was a 145 catchweight bout)

and not to support those "morons" but maybe they were saying Pacquiao fight at full Welterweight, oppose to a catchweight of 145.

(not necessarily 147 exactly if you get me

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cuz I seriously doubt that Pac would weight in at the full Welterweight limit.

but maybe the "morons", and I were under the impression that this title issue would end up unresolved

and looking at it like this with the options of

1. fight at 145 vs Cotto in a non title fight OR

2. somehow the contract gets changed from a Catchweight to regular welter with a max of 147 and Cotto's title is forced to be defended.

****of course it didn't happen like that, and the title is still on the line at 145 but just saying, if negotiations got nasty, the issue would be "why shouldn't Manny ditch 145 and just fight

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obviously no longer an issue though as the title will be on the line, and the catchweight remains.

I appreciate the lack of BS

and generally I try to use logical arguments as this whole Welterweight/catchweight business made me go to the dictionary in the first place. just to see how it's actually defined.

and I know it's not you, but another poster on another board said "Welterweight isn't the 147 division"

which your examples proved, as fighters in past have both weighed under that 147 and were not penalized

147 is part of the Welterweight definition, and it only becomes a problem if your over that weight.

if all that made sense.

till next time.

**but yeah Eze gets what im getting at that with a catchweight of 145, that changes the original definition of Welterweight as a division where fighters are allowed to weigh up to 147 lbs.

 

You'll be fine with it for this fight then because it's a voluntary defence. No-one is forcing Cotto to do anything.

 

^ didn't the WBO make Pacquiao the #1 challenger in the WBO rankings for the belt?

 

Nice to meet somebody here who understands principles . . . that doesn't come too open.

When I post . . . I post based on issues not against certain personalities or posters . . . but some posters here tends to make it personnal.

Have a good day. :good

 

You dont take it personal?

Weren't you the first to call me stupid for saying exactly what 555east said? :nut

 

**well that mighta been true about the IBF (which is why Judah kept the belt, only to lose it one fight later)

but I recall reading somewhere that Baldy didn't pay any sanctioning fee's other then the WBC's ... out of respect to them

which is why he only wound up with only the WBC belt

and here's my evidence (taken from answers.com, but granted I've read this elsewhere)

"Judah's IBF and WBA belts were not on the line, because Baldomir did not pay sanctioning fees to the IBF and WBA.[15]"

and that source #15 is taken from this article

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/09/sports/othersports/09boxing.html?_r=1

which says the same as above

if you'll look to the 6th mini paragraph/section in

oh damn that's a good article, check it out .. even the NY State Athletic Commisioner says, yet again, the same thing, lol

""Everybody thought this was a unification bout, and no one knew until after the fight that the sanctions were not paid to the W.B.A. and I.B.F.," Stevens said."

 

yeah man you too

I don't really see the point of getting personal online .. as does trading insults really prove anything?

my whole beef is if you say something, back it up that's all .. none of these one liners if you will.

and not to sound like a broken record but people going on about this whole Welter weight issue so much, so out of pure curiosity chose to look it up myself.

I used dictionary.com, a 1920 and 1980 Oxford American dictionary, and all sources specifically cited it as a boxing division with a maximum weight of 147

anyway you get it

till next time.

 

eze . . . eze . . . this is not the first thread that your ass has been humilated . . . you are arguing bullshits man . . . have pity on yourself.

It's not hard for other posters to go over this whole thread and see what are your arguements. :deal

What? If Pac wants the belt the fight should be at 147??? Again?

:rofl :rofl :rofl

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