Cotto fighting at 154 is a terrible idea. He should stay at 147 or retire.

Jaaames · Jun 8, 2010

If I had to choose between Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez.... Who should Cotto fight next.... I go Williams.... Martinez is all wrong for him... Bigger guy, slicker guy, fast hands, throws punches for all angles... All wrong... Maybe in a year or two when his reflexes slightly go away... Paul Williams, on the other hand, he also has a style thats wrong for Cotto... BUT~!! his flaws are also right for Cotto... Paul is available for a left hook to the body... For a few of those... He's actually available for every punch... But the left hook to the body... Cotto has a shot against Williams...

Cotto will be ok at 154... Depends on how he's matched...

puertorricane · Jun 9, 2010

Popkins said: ↑

The cynic would say that he cherrypicked a belt from the easiest possible option through his connection with Bob Arum, and lament that this is viewed as a positive thing in this day and age.

I would say that he doesn't have good options at 154, because he will lose to one of the top lightmiddles, not because he is an inferior fighter but because he is not a lightmiddle.

Had he fought Andre Berto at 147 instead of Foreman at 154, I firmly believe Cotto would have won, and would now own the most prestigious belt at the premiere weight class in boxing, and his stock would be considerably higher as Berto is a better fighter than Foreman is.
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STFU already you biatch.. you start a thread about how cotto is going to lose and now you say he cherry picked and that foreman is not a good fighter.. bro all you're showing is envy, hate and jealousy, traits of ***** ass mother ****ers like u

:hat

dangerousity · May 10, 2012

Popkins said: ↑

I've seen you touting yourself as some sort of predictions zen Master... and you think Cotto would have a chance at beating Floyd Mayweather?? atsch It would be funny if it wasn't so demoralizingly idiotic.
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AND this is why, Gentlemen, you do not call people idiots for having an opinion as to who would win, which is usually backed up by results.

Yes Mayweather won and most people knew that, hence the odds, but there are people who wouldn't even want to see the match cos it would be such a walkthrough.

Well Cotto was definitely in that fight, Floyds toughest fight to date, had much better chance than he was given, oh and Cotto's jab worked too. In fact pretty much everything I said in this thread were true.

Cotto's jab, bodypunches inside and well applied pressure. You also went on to claim how shockingly bad it was for me to assume Floyd can't outslug Cotto....****...guess I was so wrong.

And this is on top of you doubting Cotto even gets past Foreman.

Jus saiyin.

Fighting Pride · May 10, 2012

Cotto always has been very underrated

dangerousity · May 10, 2012

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What an insecure, infantile little douchebag you are.

Anyone who had seen Jeff Lacy fight Omar Sheika knew that Calzaghe would tan that ass. Only ignorant homeboy US media writers thought Lacy would win that fight. Calzaghe was more experienced, much faster, had better skills, and the fight was in his backyard. Many, many people tipped that win.

Anyone who had followed the career of Bernard Hopkins knew that it was a distinct possibility he could lose to Taylor. It was clear in the De La Hoya fight that B-Hop had slowed down and was not the same aggressive executioner that he had been 3 years earlier vs Trinidad. B-Hop was 40 when he fought Taylor, and Taylor was undefeated, a very big mw, with great speed and a good jab. It was inevitable Hopkins would lose at some point, and even though he did actually win that fight, it was no great shock that Taylor emerged with the belts.

Again, so many many people tipped this result. DLH couldn't stop, drop, or even dominate/punish Steve Forbes, and if you compare that to the destructive form he showed in dispatching the much bigger Mayorga two fights earlier, it was clear Oscar was in physical decline. Pac had the speed to beat Oscar, it was still a surprise how it went down, but many people forecast it.

And that's it? That's your credentials for proclaiming yourself a predictions guru? I'm guessing you're about 15 years old. None of those predictions are remotely impressive, countless people picked them as well. If you had predicted Buster Douglas would dominate Tyson before that fight, then maybe that would be justification to go around blowing your own trumpet, but those three predictions were made by many on here and none of them are evidence of a great boxing mind. Big-headed little arsehole.

No, no and no. Cotto does not possess exactly what is needed to beat Mayweather. Far from it. There is no proven blueprint for how to beat Floyd Mayweather as yet. Castillo did beat him first time out by utilizing pressure and bodywork, but a great jab was not part of his arsenal, and Floyd beat him in the rematch anyway, so the 'blueprint' failed second time out.

Shane Mosley fights in a completely different style to Miguel Cotto, and he has a far better chance of beating Floyd. Manny Pacquiao fights in a completely different style to Miguel Cotto, and he has a far better chance of beating Floyd. There is no blueprint as yet, just now it's about the quality of fighter not his style. Cotto is far, far too easy to hit to have a hope in hell against Mayweather. And he doesn't have a great jab either, his jab is pretty good not great, but with a 5-inch reach deficit there is no way he is having success with it against Floyd. Throw in Floyd's own good jab, superior speed, and superior reflexes, and Cotto has no hope in the jab stakes. Your analysis is dire.

No, he doesn't. Mayweather and Cotto are two completely different levels of fighter. Floyd would beat him 10 times out of 10, no doubt. Floyd is too fast, too clever, too accurate and too skilled for someone like Miguel Cotto.

It's not all styles. Styles are important, but they're not everything. If they are everything, then Ricky Hatton should have given Floyd Mayweather a much harder fight than he did. Hatton fought in a similar style to Jose Luis Castillo, but Castillo gave Floyd nightmares, whereas Floyd dominated and stopped Ricky. Quality levels are also important. Ricky had no defence and a dodgy chin, much like Miguel Cotto. Those two guys do not possess the necessary well-rounded qualities to compete with someone like Mayweather. They may have what appears like the right offensive style and attributes, but these are irrelevant when they have such glaring flaws in their games.

You should be paying me for this education.

You are 15.

What is it about this statement made by me in the opening post of this thread tells you that I have a strong enough conviction about Cotto-Foreman to make a lifetime avatar bet over it:

Cotto is a better fighter, but I wouldn't be surprised if Foreman beats him. Wouldn't be surprised. Does that sound like I am certain Foreman wins? ****ing ******. I'll happily make an avatar bet with a semen receptacle like you when I truly believe in a result, I won't be strong-armed into one by a child like you who is desperately trying to forge a reputation for himself as a genius. Your analyses on this thread suck ass, you have impressed no-one, and you have failed to bait me into an avatar bet.

With reference to the red parts of this shockingly shite post:

- "boxing skills didn't beat Cotto"
It's this kind of remark that proves you don't know what you're talking about. Defence is a part of boxing skills ****face. Miguel Cotto could easily have got through the Margarito fight and edged the points decision even with Margo's loaded gloves if he knew how to defend himself. Boxing skills did beat Cotto - his own (lack of). He kept jogging round the ring instead of turning Margarito and trying to keep the fight in the centre of the ring as much as possible, he kept allowing Margo to stand right on his chest and tee off on him on the ropes instead of holding when Margo got close, and so he ran out of gas and eventually crumbled because his shockingly bad defending up close meant he ate literally hundreds of uppercuts all night.

- "Floyd can't outslug him"
Yes, he could. Floyd absolutely raped Hatton on the inside in their fight, and he would achieve similar against Cotto, because Cotto (like Hatton) can't defend. Also, at 147 Cotto doesn't have the power to really hurt Mayweather, because whenever Cotto got Manny on the ropes, his punches had no effect whatsoever. Cotto failed to hurt Mosley, Manny, Margarito or Clottey, and Mayweather's punch resistance is of a comparable level. If you look at round 11 of the 1st Castillo fight and numerous points in the Hatton fight, Mayweather is very good on the inside against guys that know how to fight there (he annihilated Philip N'Dou on the inside as well, but N'Dou was shite). Floyd is too fast, too accurate, too slick for Miguel Cotto on the inside. He would outland Cotto while not taking much punishment in return. When Cotto hits him to the body, Floyd hits him to the head. The headshots would be more eye-catching to the judges, but considering Cotto's punch resistance he would probably get stopped late anyway on accumulation.

- "Hatton gave Floyd problems"
Here's a tip: don't take horrible amounts of intravenous drugs before you watch boxing.

- "in fact a lot more so than Hatton"
Hatton is 5'7" with a 65" reach, Cotto is 5'7" with a 67" reach. Hatton weighed in at 152lbs on fightnight for a light-welter fight vs Manny, so I assume he has weighed even more than that for welterweight fights. Cotto looked overweight against Urkal at welter, and that was him at 158-159 on fightnight, his biggest ever. I'm sure I read somewhere he is regularly 152-156 on fightnight at welter. A lot bigger than Hatton? The facts suggest otherwise. Cotto is very slightly bigger and heavier - same height, 2 inches in reach, and maybe a couple of pounds on fightnights. Is that tiny margin going to be enough to make a difference against someone as skilled as Floyd? ****ing obviously not.

Class dismissed.
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This post backed up by opinion belittling another's, acting like some pseudo-expert.

Meanwhile, results show otherwise. Thanks.

Snakefist · May 10, 2012

Manny didn't out muscle Cotto, he out speed him and gave him angles he couldnt see. Manny beat him like he has beat all those who come forward, with his speed and mid range attack (jumping inside and out)

Undisputed · May 10, 2012

dangerousity said: ↑

This post backed up by opinion belittling another's, acting like some pseudo-expert.

Meanwhile, results show otherwise. Thanks.
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Lol.

horst · May 10, 2012

dangerousity said: ↑

AND this is why, Gentlemen, you do not call people idiots for having an opinion as to who would win, which is usually backed up by results.

Yes Mayweather won and most people knew that, hence the odds, but there are people who wouldn't even want to see the match cos it would be such a walkthrough.

Well Cotto was definitely in that fight, Floyds toughest fight to date, had much better chance than he was given, oh and Cotto's jab worked too. In fact pretty much everything I said in this thread were true.

Cotto's jab, bodypunches inside and well applied pressure. You also went on to claim how shockingly bad it was for me to assume Floyd can't outslug Cotto....****...guess I was so wrong.

And this is on top of you doubting Cotto even gets past Foreman.

Jus saiyin.
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What a fail. Mayweather beat Cotto. You would be so right to dig this up and rub my nose in it if Cotto actually beat Mayweather.

But... er... he didn't! :nut

horst · May 10, 2012

dangerousity said: ↑

This post backed up by opinion belittling another's, acting like some pseudo-expert.

Meanwhile, results show otherwise. Thanks.
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PS: Cotto did MUCH better than I thought he would in this fight. I underrated him for sure, I accept that 100%. I thought he was superb on the night.

Diamond Eye · May 10, 2012

Popkins said: ↑

atschatschatsch

What a fail. Mayweather beat Cotto. You would be so right to dig this up and rub my nose in it if Cotto actually beat Mayweather.

But... er... he didn't! :nut
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Son, you lost this one.

sdsfinest22 · May 10, 2012

Popkins said: ↑

Sorry, but why the hell is Miguel Cotto moving to 154?

He was outmuscled by the smaller Pacquiao at 145, he was bulldozed by Margarito at 147 (admittedly this may have been on account of cheating, but the fact remains that Cotto was unable to hurt Margo at all), and he hasn't looked stronger (in fact I'd argue he looked the physically weaker man) against the other top guys he has faced at 147 (Mosley and Clottey).

No-one can say Miguel has looked as powerful, strong or comfortable at 147 as he did at 140. OK, he eventually got too big for 140, but to now go up to 154? Give me a break, he is 5ft 7in and will be both outsized and outmuscled at lightmiddleweight.

Cotto is a far better all-round fighter than Yuri Foreman, but I wouldn't be surprised if Foreman beats him, because Cotto's frame just isn't big enough to be strong and comfortable at 154.

And guys like Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez would dominate and stop him IMO. I'd probably back Cory Spinks and Kermit Cintron to beat him up there as well.

Miguel can't hang with Pac or Floyd, and I doubt he'd cope with Shane these days either, but there are still good welters for him to fight - Andre Berto would be a title fight, Antonio Margarito would be a high-profile rematch, and he could always invite Ricky Hatton up for a big-money 'loser retires' clash at 147.

What do you guys think, am I right or is 154 a good move for Miguel?

:bbb
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shut the **** up bro...you say some of the dumbest ****..you not cool wit ya trolling like relentless. You look pathetic..get a life *****.

LMFAO-"I wouldn't be surprised if Formane beats him." Shows what the **** you know ****in dummy.

Diamond Eye · May 10, 2012

sdsfinest22 said: ↑

shut the **** up bro...you say some of the dumbest ****..you not cool wit ya trolling like relentless. You look pathetic..get a life *****.
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Not this guy again.

This is the guy who wants to pay $100 for a PPV.

turbotime · May 10, 2012

People were only saying Cotto was finished in order to diminish Mayweather's win. Yet Cotto is looking great at the weight.

Motley Lue · May 10, 2012

people are ecstatic that floyd bled when the whole fight was one sided. 3 rounds are the most cotto can be given if you're being generous at that. and not once has he had a clear round. floyd schooled that ass easy and the only thing he got in return is a few drops of blood from the nose and ya'll rejoicing like crazy.

sdsfinest22 · May 10, 2012

Diamond Eye said: ↑

Not this guy again.

This is the guy who wants to pay $100 for a PPV.
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