Cotto-Floyd 2 Dec 1 In MSG?

No No No. Being extremely predictable on offense=/= textbook. He is a jab right hook fighter with poor hand speed and footwork. He wasn't succeeding in landing the jab as you imply. He was flatly running at points against Margarito.( He did show better lateral movement, but it wasn't great.) He doesn't have educated footwork. It's always one or two steps too many. He's inefficient and slow. If he used the jab more, he's more open to the right hand. He kept his left glued to his face against Floyd to stop the rights. The jabs caught Floyd by surprise because he wasn't throwing many of them. Also, the problem why he's so ineffective against Mayweather on the ropes is because he( like he always has) moved forward in straight lines and stood in front of Floyd. Like I said, poor footwork...that and his punches are so predictable.

If Floyd had committed to the body at all, Cotto would have been stopped. Too bad Floyd is incredibly predictable on offense too. Only difference is, he has the hand speed to make up for it.

 

Flipping floytards are thick as ****

 

I simply have to disagree. Cotto's footwork has always been good, and it only improved. He steps with his jab, cuts off the ring efficiently, he pivots on a dime, and he doesn't waste punches. Floyd moves in straight lines more often than Cotto does. If you think both Floyd and Cotto are similarly predictable, then I guess your definition for that word is much different than mine. Cotto threw rights to the head and body most weren't expecting, stepped suddenly into a southpaw stance, circled and counter Floyd, and pressured him well. Turning the angle on the inside could have been an effective tactic as you suggest, but lacking that doesn't make Cotto's pressure work bad. Kellerman summed Cotto's effort up best; Miguel lands a few more punches in a few more rounds, and the fight is his. I'm not claiming Floyd didn't perform well to get the win, but changing a few things could have made the difference in enough rounds to get him the win. With Floyd in jail and Cotto improving under Pedro, he can make the second fight just as tough, and even tougher.

 

Aside from the fans with some serious love for Cotto(e), who else wants to see this rematch?

I haven't ever seen a fighter get so many ghetto passes like Cotto(e), not even emmanuel, the media's girlfriend.

You have fighters in boxing barely escaping with their lives during truly close fights who won't even have a rematch for said fight: Amir-Rene, Broner-Ponce, Oscar-Pernell, etc.

I'm convinced people are trying to will a rematch for Cotto(e) because he's boxing's lovechild, sort of like how fan favorite Barrera got a rematch with emmanuel despite brutally getting his AZZ beat the first time, and because of the high standards Floyd is held to.

When you have a decent amount of boxing knowledge like bogo, you can make an argument for basically any fighter being able to win or stand a chance. I don't think I've ever seen him write anyone off completely even when they deserved it like Amir for the DANI fight.

 

*****, I may be drunk but, since arum and floyd is a no go. Let Cotto make money and stfu. Its entertaining. And Leon u did not answer me yet

 

Hey AZZhole I'll send you a PM about it within a few hours after I get home:hi:

 

I'd rather kirkland...danger factor is there
And i'd pick floyd to stop him

 

lol...He bulled into Floyd. being that he outweighed him by 10+ lbs and Floyd is a flat footed fighter, he was able to back him up.Floyd was very rarely off the back foot. He wasn't cutting anything off. He moves in straight lines. Straight forward. He wasted a lot of punches trying to flurry on the ropes. He never was able to get his punches in cleanly(again poor foot work and placement.)

Similar in that they throw a select number of punches with no variety or creativity. Floyd's handspeed and feints make up for this deficiency, while Cotto's lack of handspeed hampers his offense.

In similar way to the way Ortiz was landing his left, Floyd was primarily concerned with Cotto's hook. Cotto, being a one handed fighter, was not landing those rights he threw, especially to the head. His only even remotely effective work came on the ropes, where he missed most, but landed some. he was able to back Floyd up, not through skill, but due to Floyd's propensity to remain flat footed and linear and Cotto being the much bigger man in the ring.

Yes, it does, because he was standing at the exact angle where Floyd was able to neutralize him. That is bad pressure.

The problem is, if Cotto throws more jabs, he leaves himself open to eating straight rights instead of the looping ones. By keeping the glove in(and Floyd operating in straight lines), Cotto pretty much neutralized all power in Floyd's right hand. He opens up, he's getting hit cleanly.

I don't think Floyd fought as well as he should have...and Cotto fought a determined, but dumb fight. He lost 10 rounds, most of them clear, and didn't lose them all because Floyd took a few off.

On a sidenote, in that 5th round, Cotto got on his bike, and really showed a serious flaw in Floyd: He needs to be set to punch, and he couldn't cut him off. I would like to see someone do that for long stretches against Floyd(ala Bradley vs Pac. circle away from the left(or away from Floyd's right) and ambush when he gets out of position)

 

Floyd needs a tune up. This would be a bad fight to take coming out of prison.

 

That kid who beat Khan, Garcia? Let him fight Floyd.

 

I agree with most of what you're saying, it's just that you keep downplaying both fighters and exaggerating what you deem as a lack of dimension from Cotto. He fell short for a number of reasons, we all know that. I'm not arguing he's an ATG. I'm arguing a few adjustments can turn what were close rounds into his favor. Cotto can implement a jab more often while still being wary of that right hand; pull-counters are hard to time when your opponent is stepping in and feinting. Cotto didn't do too badly dodging a few pull-counters by ducking down, Pedro definitely prepared him for that.

That last point you mentioned is something about Floyd I've been ranting on and on about for months; I wanted to see Cotto circle more, because if Floyd isn't set to punch, he can't hit on the move, and starts following his opponent around the ring.

A number of eople want to see it because it was a good fight, and was much more competitive than most of Floyd's fights. High-level boxing, a viable threat to Floyd's 0, and good back-and-forth action. I wanted to see Manny-Floyd, but at this point, they may have missed the boat.

And I'll likely never write a fighter off. In this case, Cotto gave me something more to work with when giving him a chance.

 

Sounds good im on vacation.

 

I dont think they approach the fight with a game plan man. They both prepare themself for a boxing match. Cotto and floyd work at a different level.

 

Floyd is too good for his own good in this case. Had he regularly only win 9-10 rounds in his fights instead of get shutouts no one would be interested in this rematch

 

Thi

This is not just a,case,of how he won but who's hes fighting.