Cotto gives insight into tactics, Floyd talks preparation, with JMM on Golpe A Golpe

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  1. Hotsauce

    Hotsauce Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    cotto gon hurt floyd with a body shot
     
  2. mr. piff

    mr. piff The Ring General Full Member

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    Yup, thats too bad, Floyd's gonna walk him down
     
  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    As I just said in my last post, Cotto already said in other videos he's prepared for Floyd coming forward.
     
  4. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I remember that, but it's his mind state. He already has an idea of who and what Mayweather is. That is hugely telling. What happens if this "coward w/ skills" starts beating on and hurting Cotto. It will mean more that a "coward" is beating him, then just another skilled fighter.

    IMO, if you have one idea about a man, and he flips the script on you in the ring, it takes a large mental adjustment on your part to compensate.

    I understand the tactics, but the idea Cotto has of Mayweather is, IMO, all wrong. And it's the wrong one to sustain him if things start getting rough for him.

    Side bar: He also says that if Mayweather stays in the middle of the ring and plants himself, that'll be and easier night for him. From that statement, he also assumes he can outbox Floyd comfortably in the center. What happens when he starts missing....a lot?

    Whatever, I like the "supposed" adaptability of his so called tactics, but his words in this statement belie it.
     
  5. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A 6 month ban bet he doesn't.
     
  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I see what you mean...he can't underestimate Floyd's character, as discovering the contrary in the ring would discourage him and throw him off his game. Then again, thinking himself the braver fighter might give him the fire he needs to put forth an effective offense. Then AGAIN, the way he said it didn't have much venom in it (maybe in PR it's not as much of an insult?), and hard feelings left over from that stare-down would be understandable. At the end of the day, we can't know what Cotto's thinking, I just hope he's prepared to do well in the center should Floyd try to assume control of it. "Outboxing" is a broad term, I like to think of it more as tricking Floyd into following him before getting his shots off and pivoting out.

    Man I can't wait for this fight! The hype has caught up to me. May the best man win.
     
  7. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good
     
  8. Ardo

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    I've been refreshing every local newspaper website every 10 minutes for a week now
     
  9. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think Miguel expects Floyd to follow a certain tactic from what he says he is ready regardless. My only concern is endurance and that was what his trainer focused on.

    Pretty much everyone is stating that Miguel is ready for a tough fight and may surprise us--yet they still favor Floyd.
     
  10. zorro

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    I am new here... that been said I think that Cotto has the right mentality. That because he wont follow Floyd's game plan, Miguel has a mind of his own and while May will be hard to hit so will Cotto.
     
  11. Hotsauce

    Hotsauce Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol hell naw
     
  12. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree. And I wonder if it is his trainer who is feeding him this notion that Floyd is a coward.

    Does he bother to watch ALL of his fights?

    What happened to Floyd when he was hurt by Corley?
    He started to smile while weathering the storm. And then he got excited and stood his ground and fought back toe to toe and started to beat down Corley. Yes, I know...that was years ago. Fighters can change.

    However, Each time he is hurt, he does the same thing.

    Weathered the storm while he smiled against Judah as well and then came forward.

    Against Mosley, the same.

    And although not hurt against Ortiz, he was smiling as he was attacked against the ropes. When head-butted...he went vicious. People say "that was a cheap shot"....but forget that's what a dirty-dog does. You cheat him, he'll make you pay with the same fire...except Floyd does it legally. And he stays "calm" during all this.

    And yes, again, over time, even fighters that like to "Fight" can start to change and not like confrontation anymore. Great warriors that would rather be out cold than quit on a knee, now, will quit on their knee. However, we can still say as recently as the Mosley fight that Floyd can still dig down deep and fight. And when he does, he takes over the fight. Now if that will be more of a problem with a younger fighter who might not be able to be quickly stopped in his tracks and make it harder for Floyd to adjust...maybe...we'll see.
    If Floyd isn't somehow able to adjust and pressure keeps building up...now that will be interesting because at his age, and his relatively inactive career in more recent years...sometimes that does take affect on the mind. But will it with Floyd ?
    We'll see.

    One thing however I would look at his the refusal to fight Pac. Yes, Yes...I know Pac is refusing in his way as well...but for discussion purposes:

    Is it because Floyd believes he is cheating? Yeah, maybe. And I do think Pac should take the tests.
    But forget the cheating part. What if Pac isn't cheating and when he steps into the ring with Pac and he finds out that not only is Pac "Clean" according to the tests, but he is still fighting like his high energy self.
    Will Floyd be able to deal with that?
    Will he be able to deal with the pressure for 12 rounds ?
    I don't know.
    Age and decline has happened to Floyd so maybe he isn't quite as confident in his ability to go up against such a force at this stage of his career. When he was younger, yeah, but now ?
    Then again, with Floyd, if forced to, like when he is hurt in the ring, he might just dig down deep and do what he does best...WIN.

    Boxing is full of surprises though. Things change all the time.
    Fighters that were brave all their career now have second thoughts.
    Fighters that lacked confidence, all of a sudden gain confidence.
    In the end, we don't know until they fight.
    Fighters just have to prepare 100% for everything. Floyd has done that so far in his career and I expect him to do so for this fight.


    Quick note on the two fighters:
    If anything, its Cotto who has shown that he starts to run when hurt.
     
  13. zorro

    zorro New Member Full Member

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    it sounds like a nocturne, a piece played during night gatherings...
     
  14. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    I have no idea what the Mexicans beating the French have to do with boxing but ok
     
  15. Cellz831

    Cellz831 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Cotto will low blow due to frustration