Cotto: "It was impossible to hit Margarito's body"

No, I am only talking about Cotto, we aren't talking about all other boxers who have a bad defense that equals a limited offense. We are just talking about Cotto, everyones style is different. Stick with us here. Someone please explain to YOU...lol.What, because I didn't say something you agreed with maybe, I didn't explain my point? Please. It seems that you always want me to explain my point when I've made my point. You always ask a question that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation, but as long as you think YOURr point is made with me, you are ok with it. I explained my point on Cotto's limitations. I could've just told you Cotto is a limited fighter because he has no right hand, and if you disagreed, so be it. You won't change my mind anyway about Cotto being a limited offensive fighter. Cotto couldn't use his defense to create offense by banging the body, fighting inside with AM, and use his right hand like he did in every other fighter where he backed his quarry up. AM exposed Cotto's offensive limitations, and great fighters do that.

 

He is getting slower, but a lot smarter. AM has been fighting a long time. I just recently saw the replay of the Lujuan fight, and AM was faster, but he was displaying his underrated defense also. AM looked like he took a lot of punches against Cotto, but he also made Cotto miss a lot too. Sure AM is on a decline, but when you've been fighting for at least 15 years, you won't be the same. the only real beating he took was in the Clottey fight, and he won that fight. AM is a testament to a fighters who works hard. That is why I respect AM. I might comment on Williams and AM here and there, but I totally respect AM and will never question his heart.

 

1. The fact that Margo has Cotto's number (style make fights etc.) doesn't mean Cotto is a shitty fighter. I agree that he was way overhyped, but still he is a very good, talented and entertaining fighter who belongs in the elite of the welterweight division. I think he's capable of giving problems to EVERY active tier 1 welterweight and beating many of them.

2. Fair enough.

 

1. I didn't ask you to explain yourself because I didn't agree. You said "bad defense=limited offense", which doesn't make sense, so I asked you to explain it to me and since you didn't, I asked the other posters if they understood what you said.

2. This is a FORUM. People ask and answer questions. Calm down. And my question had everything to do with your point. Your point was "bad defense=limited offense" and I asked something about your point, since other posters quoted you cause they didn't seem to understand it also.

3. No, you said Cotto has bad defense, therefore he has limited offense, something that still doesn't make sense.

4. Change your mind? LOL (as you say). I always try to talk about my views and discuss other posters' views, I'm not trying to change your mind. What is this, kindergarden? And we surely didn't need to watch the fight with Margo to find out Cotto's right hand isn't his best weapon. But to say "he has no right hand" cause he couldn't hurt the granite chinned Margo is false. You could throw a sink at Margo and he wouldn't be hurt.

5. At least I made you say Margo is great!!! I bet Lance is gonna be happy LOL.

Cotto landed 43% of his total punches and 45% of his power punches, which is almost half. How is that "missing"?

 

i watched this fight again the other day. holy ****. margarito is not just a pressure fighter who throws a lot of punches, he was slow but every punch was like getting hit with a sledgehammer. you could see how ever getting hit in the shoulder was ****ing cotto up bad.. im surprised cotto lasted so long it was looking bad for him once marg started connecting in the 2nd. watch it again and focus on the power in margaritos punches, cotto was like meat in front of a buzzsaw that night

 

It doesn't make sense to YOU. Look, if you disagree with me, then make YOUR point on why you disagree with me okay? State YOUR point on why you disagree...I'm not above talking about it. As far a percentages, that is a misnomer:nono . I didn't see Cotto land 43 or 45% of anything whether it was hard or soft. I saw how smaller fighters fought AM, and did well, but they were just too small.

Side note: Antonio Diaz did very well offensively against AM. Diaz fought hard, and he was the smaller man with a shorter reach, and he showed a two fisted attack, and boxed smart. Cotto backed up from the start of the fight to the finish. I know why he did, and he can tell you anything he wants about how he couldn't go to the body, but fans knew that Cotto is limited offensively. I think Cotto found that out when he realized AM wasn't going to budge by just throwing a jab and left hook.

Before Cotto fought AM, Cotto just bulldozed almost everyone he fought except the very best. Again, not knocking him. Just telling it like it is. I knew AM was good/becoming great long before I met you, and that is no disrespect to you. Maybe my "AM fight Williams" responses confuse the matter.

 

The percentages I gave you are CompuBox. But even before seeing them, I had the impression that Cotto landed many clear shots on Margo, which was confirmed by the stats, so he wasn't missing a lot as you said.

And about Antonio Diaz... Margo dominated that fight after round 6 and he TKO'd Diaz one round earlier than Cotto! How's that better??? And remember, Cotto faced a very improved version of Margarito, the fight with Diaz you're refering to happened 6 years ago.

Anyway, I just think that describing Cotto (of all welters!) as "limited" is unfair, cause you are only judging by one fight (the one with Margo). What Cotto found out imo in the early rounds with Margo, was that he couldn't hurt him, and that played a key role to the fight. Cotto is a selective pressure fighter-boxer who was able to hurt every opponent he had faced before Margo, so seeing that he couldn't hurt Margo frustrated him. In a possible rematch he will know from the start he can't hurt Margo, so he can change his gameplan, adapt and improve some mistakes, that's why I give him a better chance to win (I would still favour Margo style-wise). In his wins Cotto has shown offensive versatility, not just a jab and a left hook.

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I saw Cotto land, but I saw AM land also. I saw AM land the harder and more effective punches. Once I saw AM smile, it hit me that AM knew that the hook was Cotto's best punch and that AM also knew that Cotto was limited offensively, and did not have the power that was made out to be. Why do I say this. What is Cotto best/hardest punch that he loves to deliver? Question answered. Cotto is a heady fighter, but he is a limited fighter. As far as bringing up Diaz, nobody said he did better than Cotto. Diaz attacked AM using both hands, and he went to the body. And Diaz was the naturally smaller guy, that's the only reason why he lost imo. AM probably boxed better 6 years ago then he does today lol...(no pun intended AM was good back then and still is)What's changed, AM got slower...lol?

Anyway, describing Cotto as limited isn't "unfair", it is my opinion. How do you know I'm judging him on one fight when he has fought this way his whole career? Even if I agreed with you about Cotto seeing that he couldn't hurt AM, what does this have to do with his offense in that fight and past fights? Cotto did not sit down on his punches in the AM fight because imo he lacked a true right hand, and he knew this his whole life. He is an admitted converted southpaw.

Cotto was a top level fighter who went to his opponents body in all of his fights. Even if you can't hurt a guy to the chin, you go to the body. You just try new things. My opinion is that once Cotto saw that the left hook was rendered ineffective to the head, he became a counter puncher instead of trying new things and only went to the head because he knew that if he tried the right, AM would counter him easily.

The counter punching of Cotto looked good for a few rounds until he had to rest, and that is when AM took over. I saw no true power in Cotto's shots. AM took over as early as round 2. Cotto's defense left him in terrible spots in the fight when he wasn't throwing. Cotto could not turn defense into offense because he never had a true right hand. Dlh never had a true right hand, but he had speed and defense. We might just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

Cottos says its impossible to hit marg body , then y is he fighting him again wat does he thing hes going to be able to hit his face this time n ko him i dont think so !

 

Well, maybe Margo is slower, but many say he's better than he was before, fighting smarter nowdays. Don't know about that, haven't seen many of his past fights.

I just don't see how you can call someone a "top level fighter" and describe him as limited at the same time...?

I see your point, but I think our disagreement is about the meaning of the word "limited" actually... I agree that the right hand isn't a big weapon for Cotto, but "limited" for me means "not very skillful", not "lack of power".

Cotto may not have the strongest right hand in the division, but a guy knocking out 26 of his 32 previous opponents should have skills and power to do that. And remember it was the GRANITE chinned Margarito he couldn't hurt.