Cotto: "It was impossible to hit Margarito's body"

It doesn't make him a coward but it doesn't make him a hero either.

 

Agreed. I think he was mentally defeated somewhere in the mid- to late rounds. He knew he couldn't hurt Margo and he was running out of gas from doing laps in his track shoes. At the end he knew he was going to be KTFO and he couldn't deal with it so he just tapped out. Probably a wise move. But guys like Tyson had pride in taking their licks when it was their time (see his remarks after the Holyfield I fight). Cotto doesn't have that pride/toughness/foolishness. It's just not part of who he is.

If Cotto were Mexican, he absolutely would still be getting ripped, you're spot on. The Mexican fans will still love you if you lose, so long as you do so while going out on your shield.

 

What I'm not allowing is for Cotto sack-swingers to get away from the fact that Miguel quit. We can argue about the 'deeper meaning' of his quitting, but the guy quit. There's no way around it. And that's the point of my post.

 

And that's not Cottos fault he doesn't have that but when he did quit, he got defended by a lot of his fans for making the right choice.. okay sure but man just imagine if he was mexican, or if this was Margo, or Mayweather. Holy ****, god forbid it was Mayweather this board would absolutely go insane..

It would of been the right choice for Cotto but for Mayweather... Mayweather would be labeled as a quiter for the rest of his career.

 

Oh so thats your agenda for saying Cotto lacks heart and mentioning how he quit numerous times because if it was Mayweather.......It seems like any opinion you have on Cotto seems to have a Mayweather driven agenda behind it.

 

My agenda? I took one extreme and went to the other side.



Take any fighter, if it had been Margo who quit, wrong decision for Margo.. Margo would of never been on world class level had he quit agianst Cotto.

Nor Paul Williams, or any fighter that isn't liked by most.

That's why Cotto gets a free pass with this is because a lot of us like him. Take a fighter who people dont really like and tell me they would get the same acceptance that Cotto received for quiting.

 

This is why I mentioned the Mexican fans thing. Different people, or groups of people, view the same occurrence in subjective ways.

For you, or for some of the Puerto Rican fans, what Cotto did by giving up was perfectly acceptable. No big deal. For Mexican fans, huge deal. It's a different mindset. Is one better than the other? Maybe so. My point is that there are a good amount of people who will look down on Miguel quitting. Just as there were people who looked down on other fighters quitting. You don't have to like that, but that's reality. And one group of such people are Mexican fight fans. Margarito comes from that boxing tradition, and its one reason he's so tough. However, Meldrick Taylor came from a similar tradition (Philly), and that's a large part of why he's permanently injured from his fights.

Again, I'm not saying that Cotto was wrong to quit, just that he did, in fact, quit and various people will view that action differently.

 

Thanks Kirk, we might not see eye to eye on the subject, but not every subject is going to be that way. :good

 

Exactly. Cotto's getting a pass on this many other fighters would not, and have not.

Was he done at the end of the fight? Yes, he was. The fight would have been over within 15-20 seconds. Still, he chose his way out. Other guys who did the same thing have been ripped to shreds and labeled for their careers as quitters. But not Cotto. And that's crap.

 

Fair enough maybe your right that people give him a pass. BTW I'm still trying to look for a Lopez stream.

 

Erik quit against Pac when he knew he was done. JCC quit several times when he knew was beat and couldn't go on. Neither one of those guys could EVER be called cowards.

What the **** is your problem, hater? Get in the ****ing ring if you're so tough.

 

**** off, noob.

I've been in the ring, and been through more than you'll ever know. Shut up.

Erik got called out by plenty of people for the Pac fight. Difference with that is that he actually took a punch before he went down, unlike Cotto. Which makes Cotto look even more stupid, relatively. Erik could have gotten up, but Cotto just flat-out sat down. Like a *****. Sorry, but that's how it is. You don't like it because you're a Cotto nuthugger? Too bad. Tell your guy not to quit next time.

Smarter fighters know that if you want a way out you wait until that first punch comes and you exaggerate it and just stay on the canvas. Like Erik. Like Bruce Seldon did against Tyson. There's a lot more honor in taking a shot than just squatting down after a full retreat.

JCC was one of the toughest, meanest, hardest guys ever. By the time he was losing, let alone supposedly 'quitting,' he was a proven commodity. He could have quit against Meldrick, but he didn't and he got the late KO. Cotto has never proven anything to anyone, and that's why this was such a foolish decision by him, IMO. This wasn't an outsized Ricardo Torres he was in with, it was his first legit challenge on the main stage. And he quit, for good or for bad.

Erik and Chavez were made men at the end of their careers when they did what they did. Cotto is what, 27? And the supposed mega-star of them all. And he quit in his first big spot. That's going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, and it has. Especially in a blood sport like boxing. A lot of people just don't want to see a guy take a knee and end the fight, right or wrong.

 

I don't believe you. You talk WAAAAY too tough for anyone who actually knows what they're talking. That wasn't Cotto's first big fight. It might have been the first big fight YOU ever saw, that wouldn't surprise me, but before that he was in with Mosley, Judah, Abdulaev, Corley, Pinto and a bunch of other fighters you probably never heard of.

Anyone, including you, disrespecting Cotto after the fight he put on and the beating he took isn't a boxing fan. Your correct venue is backyard fight clips on youtube, and I suggest you just shut the **** up when people are talking about boxing.

 

I think "quit" is a real oversimplification of what happened.

He was getting his brains beat out from middle of the 7th round, and his corner really had no business sending him out there if he was gassed as he was. He was fighting on heart alone after that.

I am by no means a Cotto fan. And I don't have a lot of faith in him, but I won't label him some tye of coward-ass quitter based on this fight.

What do you say about Raberto Duran??????